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Anti-Americans had me in tears on the Fourth of July
Daily Telegraph ^ | 07/06 | Julia Magnet

Posted on 07/06/2002 8:59:49 AM PDT by ginle

I've just moved from New York City to London, into a little house with a little garden - and it seemed a good idea to throw a Fourth of July barbecue. After years of cramped Manhattan parties, craning out of our air-conditioned apartment window to catch a glimpse of fireworks, I was determined to have the traditional outdoor feast.

My British flatmate loved the idea. "It's a themed welcome-back party," she exclaimed. She emailed invitations to our friends. I bought gourmet sausages, and then suddenly I panicked. Why would a bunch of Brits, anti-Bush and liberal Brits at that, want to celebrate our most all-American day?

Having lived in London on and off for two years, I've realised that young British people don't like America; in fact, now that Bush is waging his war on terror, they hate it. At a dinner party in the autumn, a boy I'd just met said: "You know, basically bin Laden is right." I began to cry. "America oppresses every other country, and really exploits them just to get richer and, you know, crushes them if they try to stand up for themselves. Bin Laden was telling America to mind its own business; it needed to be told."

And all this when my city was plastered with posters for loved ones missing since September 11; when I had just discovered that a friend had died in the attack. Knowing that one of the charges against Americans was that we "take everything too seriously", I apologised for crying.

Since September, most of my introductions to young Brits begin: "Oh, you're American." Then comes a barrage of questions and assertions about Bush and America's place in the world. If you can clear such political minefields, you find yourself with some friends for life, whose political attitudes about America do not extend to their opinion of individual Americans. "So really," I told myself, "stop worrying. These are your cherished friends coming to the party. You can make it through an evening without talking politics, and everyone loves a camp themed party, especially one with gourmet sausages and mustard in a squeezy bottle."

Then I read the "youth" survey in The Telegraph - a huge majority of young Britons thought America was "aggressive", "inward-looking", "concerned only with its own place in the world" and "not a good example to other countries". Thirty-seven per cent thought Bush was either "poor" or "dreadful". I accosted each new guest - even before they had negotiated the red, white and blue balloons that covered our floor - with interview requests. "Please will you tell me what you really think about Bush and America? I swear I won't get upset and really the more honest the better and I know that we disagree anyway." It worked, but not until we had more than a little drink. What a sight: BA literature students, photographers, actors and people in the theatre - all British but me - piling on to a sofa and talking tipsily about politics.

"Well, America," began someone, nestling into the couch and setting her drink on the table. "I really like America, but I don't think their political system inspires much confidence." "Bush is awful - a total idiot," broke in a boy from across the room, and the polite reserve was broken. "Yeah," nodded another friend earnestly. "Everyone in Britain thinks he's horrible; we were really gutted when he won. We wanted the other guy, what's his name? - Gore - to win."

Turning away from a conversation revolving around an Alabama-style chocolate cake that one of our friends had brought us, someone volunteered: "Bush is a homicidal megalomaniac; he wants to take over the world." My friend's boyfriend added a new sort of conspiracy theory: "The US is the world's biggest terrorist. They think that it is fine to go into other countries and pillage them for their own good, but when other countries attack them they call it terrorism. George W welcomed September 11. Look what it did for him. He didn't exactly engineer it, but he wanted to go into Afghanistan because of their oil resources. Do we really know Osama was behind September 11?" "Where did you hear this?" I asked, trying desperately to be impartial. "Well, I pieced it together," he replied. His paranoia was met with approval from some quarters: "Yeah, Bush wants to use 9/11 to start a world war." He was shot down by the others: "He's too stupid to do that."

I wondered out loud why they were convinced that he was so dumb. The answer was a bit feeble: "Our media has hyped him as stupid." But another friend, while pouring us more wine, came to the rescue: "He always messes up the speeches that are written for him and trips over big words." "He's a knob," yelled a friend as she went into the garden to partake of the sausages.

Finally, I went out into the garden to talk to my friend, the war studies undergraduate, who seems the exception to the rule. "There is less to worry about George W than everyone makes out," he said, lighting my cigarette with an "I Love NY" lighter. "He is a strong hand on the tiller and his responses are not wrong. The Republicans pick people for character traditionally and set up a really intelligent strong team behind them. I don't think we have to worry with Colin Powell and Rumsfeld." This inspired a boy who had been quiet the whole evening - "I am the most British person you'll ever meet," he confided, "and I am completely behind Bush and America. So I guess that I don't have anything to say here."

Probably this, not the paranoid anti-Americanism, was the most shocking comment. But it was a lovely evening, and no one got into an argument, except for two Brits about the NHS. The Telegraph poll said that 63 per cent of young Britons think America is a good friend to Britain, and that is what I most noticed at my party. For all their criticism of America and its supposed militant posturing, here were my friends, bearing wine, celebrating the Fourth of July and staying late, long after we wanted to clear up and go to bed.

After all, these were the same people who had called me and my parents on September 11 and sent flowers to lay at the site.


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To: ginle
For centuries the British went about the world like drunken thugs; murdering, pillaging, raping. Now when the US acts in self defense, many of them project their post-colonial guilt. However, I would dare submit that the majority of Britons completely support the US and are well aware that more of their citizens were murdered on 911 than in any terror attack in their history. As for these schoolboy twits, the fact is, we really do not have to listen to them. Their opinions do not count.
101 posted on 07/06/2002 3:07:49 PM PDT by dmeara
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To: Inkie
Agreed, so let's stop saying: "...if it wasn't for us you'd be speaking German."
102 posted on 07/06/2002 3:11:13 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: Howlin
...the other guy, what's his name? - Gore?

Even being an ocean apart, we still ask the same questions - eh?

103 posted on 07/06/2002 3:12:49 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Ohioan
Without a credible and well planned source of disinformation and propaganda, liberalism would fold.

Conservatives are spread out fighting a war on 20 different fronts. We can never muster enough resources for a knock out blow in any because there is always another crisis, another issue that needs immediate attention. The libs have us fighting everyday not to lose ground, when we should be planning on advancing and taking ground. This will never happen until we eliminate their basic ability to beat us on the propaganda front.

Blocking and tackling. Victories go to those who have the courage to prepare to win.

104 posted on 07/06/2002 3:17:38 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: David Hunter
My mistake! I should have done my research but on Fourth of July weekend we get... how do the Liberals say it? Ah, JINGOISTIC!!! :D

I thought it through and if I was in your place, those types of comments(The US won the war alone type.) would insult me deeply. You replied with wit and grace and I hope you will accept my apology.

105 posted on 07/06/2002 3:17:51 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: David Hunter
Cheers.
106 posted on 07/06/2002 3:20:02 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: spitz; Suffolkman; sushiman; Snowyman; Gutterboy
You might be interested in this thread. I seem to be the only Brit contributing to it. There are some real Anglophobes posting here.
107 posted on 07/06/2002 3:28:05 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: RicocheT
You're right. I spend alot of time in NI and England and most Brits aren't anymore 'anti-American' than the average US college student. Perhaps the young lady in the story should start socializing outside of the Chelsea Marxist circle.
108 posted on 07/06/2002 3:29:20 PM PDT by constitutiongirl
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To: Arioch7
I do accept your apology, thank you.
109 posted on 07/06/2002 3:31:29 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: David Hunter
Agreed, so let's stop saying: "...if it wasn't for us you'd be speaking German."

I agree with your earlier points that it was a team effort and that the US doesn't deserve "all" the credit.

But that still doesn't mean the above statement isn't true. Right? Think about it. Best,

110 posted on 07/06/2002 3:33:36 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Prodigal Son
I do the same thing with my spelling. I'm especially stuck on the '-our' (humour). I've been Brit/Irish educated and it's habit now, I guess.
111 posted on 07/06/2002 3:38:55 PM PDT by constitutiongirl
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To: Paul Atreides
I don't have the slightest idea what an Alabama-style cake is, and I lived there for 4+ years.

Incidentally, a friend of mine who who hailed from AL brought me back a hilarious snack wrapper from a year he spent in the UK. It was a cookie wrapper that said something like this: "Alabama Snack Crackers--'From the Banks of the Mississippi.'"

What I found particularly humorous about this was that my friend showed the wrapper to his Brit-pals expecting them to find the geographical inaccuracy contained in this slogan as funny as he did and NONE of them got it.
112 posted on 07/06/2002 3:41:03 PM PDT by bourbon
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To: David Hunter
You are welcome.

About the Anglophobe comment above. I would have to agree with you and I know quite a few anglophobes conservative myself. I am not one mainly because I watch so much of your Television. I am a liberalphobe! :D

It is just that a large amount of hatred is directed towards America and it is human nature to direct the hatred back to its source. It is not rational and to tell you the truth, I would HATE to be a Conservative in the UK or the mainland as it is bad here but not nearly as bad.

I do have a critique of your parliament though. When I was watching a session, I noticed that as a Conservative stood up to speak, the room erupted in jeers and cat calls and they practically booed the guy back into his chair.

It does not seem very dignified at all, I was stunned actually. Is this a regular occurence or does it happen often?

113 posted on 07/06/2002 3:41:09 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Really. They're still pissed about a little Tea Party that got out of hand.
114 posted on 07/06/2002 3:42:53 PM PDT by rintense
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To: dread78645
But what is the opinion of a fictional spook turned gangster supposed to prove?

Parody: 1. A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule.

The quote was from a British film, so don't you think the object of ridicule might be a certain kind of American and their anti-British opinions?

115 posted on 07/06/2002 3:46:36 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: ginle
They were just upset that they found out they were at a party to celebrate the day we declared war on them.
116 posted on 07/06/2002 3:51:33 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Arioch7; David Hunter
an interesting book about 'anglophobia' written by a friend of mine. Thought you fellows might be interested.
117 posted on 07/06/2002 3:53:25 PM PDT by bourbon
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To: Arioch7
I do have a critique of your parliament though. When I was watching a session, I noticed that as a Conservative stood up to speak, the room erupted in jeers and cat calls and they practically booed the guy back into his chair. It does not seem very dignified at all, I was stunned actually. Is this a regular occurence or does it happen often?

This often happens. British parliamentarians are not known for their subtle methods of debate. It is not uncommon for the Parliament minutes to record shouts of "shame" when actually the shouts were "bollocks", that's the least rude phrase they might use.

118 posted on 07/06/2002 3:54:59 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: ginle
ykLvice: No matter how intense politics are in the US, Ameicans as a whole simply do not take it personally. The personal well-being of every American is not tied up with the performance of the Government. BUT many others (Brits, Aussies), see things very differently.

Some time back I called a dear friend of mine (past Secretary to a PM of Australia). I asked her how she was. My answer (and this is a very bright woman -- fluent in several languages -- answering -- "I've got the heads and the backs and the dollar's no good." -- Translation: she had both a terrible headache and a bad backache when I called-- YET -- incredibly, she also (item #3) listed the poor performance of the Aussie Dollar as reason to be sad.

Would any American talk like this? Americans simply do not personalize world affairs. So many others do.

There is your answer.

119 posted on 07/06/2002 3:59:06 PM PDT by Utopia
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To: ginle
A word of advice: No matter how intense politics are in the US, Ameicans as a whole simply do not take it personally. The personal well-being of every American is not tied up with the performance of the Government. BUT many others (Brits, Aussies), see things very differently.

Some time back I called a dear friend of mine (past Secretary to a PM of Australia). I asked her how she was. My answer (and this is a very bright woman -- fluent in several languages -- answering -- "I've got the heads and the backs and the dollar's no good." -- Translation: she had both a terrible headache and a bad backache when I called-- YET -- incredibly, she also (item #3) listed the poor performance of the Aussie Dollar as reason to be sad "Crook".

Would any American talk like this? Americans simply do not personalize world affairs. So many others do.

There is your answer.

120 posted on 07/06/2002 4:00:08 PM PDT by Utopia
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