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To: Arioch7
This one is to Dana, I dont mind if you all believe in this stuff but I do not like to be insulted when as I said, almost the ENTIRE scientific community is on my side.

Are these the same doctors who give Count Chocula the heart healthy symbol? Are these the same doctors who have been giving the dietary advice that led Americans to be obese in record numbers? The same ones who presided over the recent advent of Adult onset diabetes in adolescents? The same doctors who say oils like canola and cottonseed are good for you? The same doctors who advocate hydrogenated man made fats like margarine and Crisco which our body is totally unequiped to utilize as healthy? The same ones who say butter, lard, beef fat, and other natural oils are bad for you? The same doctors and food industry experts who have created a poplulation of people with asthma and other auto-immune disorders at record levels? The same doctors that think everone suffers from a low level of Prosac and Zoloft and that for some reason a huge portion of our society is in need of a chemical crutch? The same doctors who don't realize that our ancestors went into ketosis for MONTHS on end during winters and say it is harmful instead of beneficial?

Well they have been strangely quiet lately since the vast majority of recent research is not exactly supporting their thesis lately.

I fully support your decision to cram your body year round with carbs in amounts it was never meant to handle, eat manufactured fats it has no clue of how to use in its structures and hormones, and avoid necessary oils and fats it needs to properly build membranes and produce hormones. I support your decision to work towards adult onset (unless you exercise constantly). I support your decision to ignore our natural state and diet and think that every caveman had a 50 pound sack of bleached flour and 50 pounds of sugar and cases of sugar water (coke) and never ever ever spent months in ketosis.

Seriously now, I know you don't go to these extremes but this is the basic advice that these experts have been giving us.

Our society was a lot less obese before these clown doctors.

345 posted on 07/07/2002 4:39:09 PM PDT by Nov3
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To: Nov3
Very good post.

Not that you said I did, but I do not drink coke or eat anything processed. I also eat some amounts of fat. I also love protein.

Cavemen were NOT natural Carnivores. They were Hunter-Gatherers and do you think they were ALWAYS succesful on the hunt?

I just wanted to add them to my list since I made the contention that most of the world was on my side. That of course does not mean that I am right by default.

I have been saying for years that all this sugar was bad news. I had also noticed the ridiculous amounts of pasta people were cramming down thier gullets and observed it would not be good.

Carbs are energy(I know you all dont agree.), think of it like trying to keep filling your cars engine with gasoline. Once you get to a certain point, you dont need anymore.

Now, I hate to get anecdotal but EVERYONE I have known that has trained and eaten like me is in good shape. I hate to say it but I have never met an Atkins person that I would emulate.

Someone mentioned that during extrem athletic contests, carbs would lower your energy. After a long period of training daily, I need to keep my carbs up. I get very weary and can not continue training effectively without them. You all say you can but I have never seen it.

My father got Type 2 and adopted the Sugarbusters diet and had some success. Of course, he would eat cookies and Ice Cream every night before going to bed. He also did not exercise. His logic was that since carbs caused his situation, all carbs were bad. I think it is faulty logic but that is just my opinion.

Again, your post was great and you really zinged me. Well done.

352 posted on 07/07/2002 5:13:45 PM PDT by Arioch7
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