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Missing-link fossil wasn't a fish -- it has a pelvis
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Thursday, July 4, 2002 | David Perlman, Chronicle Science Editor

Posted on 07/04/2002 9:49:26 PM PDT by Phil V.

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:40:29 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A fossil previously mistaken for the remains of an extinct fish turns out to hold the earliest known creature to have emerged from the Earth's waters and walk on land some 350 million years ago.

This ancestor of every four-limbed, backboned animal living today -- the first creature clearly designed to walk on land, with forward-facing feet -- fills a major gap in the evidence for the evolution of vertebrates from sea to land, scientists say.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: creation; crevolist; evolution
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To: Gumlegs
I wanna play! I wanna play!

Oooohh...a blue text induced head-rush!

401 posted on 07/08/2002 1:59:26 PM PDT by JediGirl
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To: JediGirl
I wanna play! I wanna play!

If you're over the heaves, you can play.

402 posted on 07/08/2002 2:02:39 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: JediGirl
Now, JediGirl, take it easy. Calm down, put your horn back on your head, and think about what you're doing. You must know that you have to be 21 years of age to use a blue font. It is true that when you do, you act and reason like a two year old, but that's beside the point.
403 posted on 07/08/2002 2:04:08 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: VadeRetro
Jeez, Vade, talk about leading a young girl astray.
404 posted on 07/08/2002 2:04:47 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs
Jeez, Vade, talk about leading a young girl astray.

I'm a Heathen Evo! I'm supposed to be the incarnation of evil.

405 posted on 07/08/2002 2:05:45 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
She's more to be pitied than censured.
She's more to be helped than dispised.
She's only a lassie who ventured
On life's stormy path ill-advised.
Do not scorn her with words fierce and bitter.
Do not laugh at her shame and downfall.
For a moment, just stop and consider,
That Dar-win was the cause of it all.
406 posted on 07/08/2002 2:11:45 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs
Darwinism made me rob that 7-11, Your Honor! I plead reduced capacity!
407 posted on 07/08/2002 2:13:42 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Gumlegs
I also plead "reduced capacity" on leading young females astray. I'm not ageing well.
408 posted on 07/08/2002 2:15:04 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Phil V.
"for you must bear in mind that we're all tetrapods!"

Speak for yourself, monkeywoman.

409 posted on 07/08/2002 2:18:37 PM PDT by hunyb
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To: VadeRetro
Reduced ability, maybe? (More of a complaint than a plea.)
410 posted on 07/08/2002 2:27:41 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Aric2000
Enjoy your guffaws, they won't last long...

p.s. Facts? what facts? the 'facts' that 'scientists' put in front of you and tell you to believe? man, you are gullible! Boy, the Antichrist is gonna LOVE you......

411 posted on 07/08/2002 2:30:29 PM PDT by hunyb
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To: Gumlegs
It's possible, but I wouldn't put any money on it. On the other hand, if one interprets your sentence to mean, "There are two sets of people who don't buy the theory of evolution. One set doesn't read. The other set owns a Bible." I might be inclined to agree.

If one were to interpret my sentence in that way, in my opinion that would be a rather elitist attitude.

True in some cases, not true in others.

I think we can agree there.

It seems to me that if you're debating someone who cites a source, you ought to be able to use the source either to impeach the interpretation given by a poster, or to impeach the source itself.

I completely agree. The problem here is either I'm not communication very well or everyone keeps missing the point. If a discussion is going on regarding transitional fossils and the evolutionist posts the first chapter of Genesis as some form of rebuttal or ridicule, how does that work to impeach the interpretation of the transitional fossils? That last sentence is the context of this sub thread, except the example (fossils) is different.

Even if you believe that someone who believes in evolution must ipso facto be an atheist (G3K's position, which is indefensible on its face), an evo using Scripture in a debate of this nature is neither a non sequitur nor, necessarily, a dodge.

I believe you have gore3000's position incorrect. He has stated that one can be a Christian and believe in evolution.

...an evo using Scripture in a debate of this nature is neither a non sequitur nor, necessarily, a dodge.

An evo using Scripture in a debate where pulling Scripture into the debate doesn't follow from the context of the thread would, IMO, be a dodge.

ME:Also, the mentioning of Scripture which started this sub thread wasn't used to illustrate the absurdity of any position.

I'm not sure what you mean here.

That was a comment to balrog666 regarding a previous sub thread, I think. I'm getting a couple of threads confused.

412 posted on 07/08/2002 2:39:11 PM PDT by scripter
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To: Junior
Maybe we ought to count the number of "liars" in each of his posts and keep a running tally on the thread...

OMG - let me go get my hand counter, in that case...

413 posted on 07/08/2002 2:44:07 PM PDT by general_re
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To: Gumlegs
Your wildly eliptical slimings merely show that evolution has been disproved by real science 1720 times.

One to the 720th power? Hmmm.... ;^)

414 posted on 07/08/2002 2:47:41 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: balrog666
From observation, the creationists are almost invariably fundamentalist Christians. The anti-evolutionist non-Christians tend to be the medved-type fantasists or obvious trolls like the kid.

Fundamentalist Christians? I haven't heard that term in a while. I think if you dug a little deeper you might find not all is as it appears. BTW, I use anti evolutionist for everybody that doesn't buy the theory, if that helps.

Even disregarding the odd visitor that posts bible passages and leaves, you must be reading different posts than I am. Discussions of real "data" and interpretations are quite rare. For example, you read the extensive gore3000/RightWingNilla exchange where one side was talking studies and one side was talking out of it's weasel-like ass. What was your impression of that series of exchanges?

I'm sure we're reading the same posts. I wasn't really reading the G3K/RWN exchange too closely until the end. They were definitely talking real data. I don't know that much about the subject but did some reading just before that thread ended. After reading the referenced links and some info on codons, I came to the conclusion that G3K was right - the new genes were not expressed. I asked RWN about it but missed him before he went on vacation.

I have yet to see any rational anti-evolutionist that was not simply advocating Creationism - read through the past threads and you will see that they think they are mutually exclusive (and you will see the same old non-de-plumes in almost every thread). And, as I touched upon above, I have yet to see a Creationist "theory" advanced here that was not attributable to Christian belief with all the baggage that entails.

I understand what you're saying and agree with it, with what we've seen here on FR. I wasn't referring to just freepers when I said that, sorry for not making that clear. I've been "involved" with this debate for over 10 years and have seen all kinds come and go in different forums. My father is an example of the types of people I meant. He's an agnostic and doesn't buy the theory of evolution. It's folks like my father and the others I've met in other forums that I was referring to. To summarize that point, some folks reject evolution because they don't see evidence for it, not because they're advancing some creationist theory.

415 posted on 07/08/2002 3:10:08 PM PDT by scripter
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To: scripter; balrog666
And, as I touched upon above, I have yet to see a Creationist "theory" advanced here that was not attributable to Christian belief with all the baggage that entails.

Whoops. I clicked "Post" too early. I think that's a pretty difficult topic to tackle. You either have a naturalist explanantion of things or you don't. What's left?

416 posted on 07/08/2002 3:20:49 PM PDT by scripter
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To: hunyb
Thanks for the other guffaw as well, you creationists get me laughin so hard I feel like I'm gonna split!!

Facts? who needs facts when I have a bible!! ROFLMAO!! Oh man, you guys are hilarious!!
417 posted on 07/08/2002 3:25:37 PM PDT by Aric2000
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To: VadeRetro
I'm not ageing well.

Or spelling well, monkey boy!

418 posted on 07/08/2002 3:41:38 PM PDT by Junior
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To: hunyb
p.s. Facts? what facts? the 'facts' that 'scientists' put in front of you and tell you to believe? man, you are gullible! Boy, the Antichrist is gonna LOVE you.....

And why would the world's scientists lie? Oh, I get it, you're one of those conspiracy theory folks who think ALL scientists are in some sort of cabal dedicated to damning our eternal souls to Hell, aren't you?

419 posted on 07/08/2002 3:44:03 PM PDT by Junior
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To: Junior

420 posted on 07/08/2002 4:02:26 PM PDT by general_re
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