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Missing-link fossil wasn't a fish -- it has a pelvis
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Thursday, July 4, 2002 | David Perlman, Chronicle Science Editor

Posted on 07/04/2002 9:49:26 PM PDT by Phil V.

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:40:29 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A fossil previously mistaken for the remains of an extinct fish turns out to hold the earliest known creature to have emerged from the Earth's waters and walk on land some 350 million years ago.

This ancestor of every four-limbed, backboned animal living today -- the first creature clearly designed to walk on land, with forward-facing feet -- fills a major gap in the evidence for the evolution of vertebrates from sea to land, scientists say.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: creation; crevolist; evolution
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To: Dead Corpse; Lazamataz
Indeed, I was thinking fuzzily. But where are the creationist tracts pushing the other versions? I like the Egyptian and Norse ones myself; they at least try to answer the question of where God came from.
201 posted on 07/07/2002 8:00:20 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: jejones
Very good links! From the last one:

In fact, Ted Holden's approach makes Star Trek look like A Brief History of Time.

Can another stroke of the abuse button be far behind? He hit it on jennyp just for compiling a list of his own posts.
202 posted on 07/07/2002 8:04:17 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
But where are the creationist tracts pushing the other versions? I like the Egyptian and Norse ones myself; they at least try to answer the question of where God came from.

I'll stick with the Greeks. I'm a Western Civilization chauvanist.

203 posted on 07/07/2002 8:06:35 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
I'll stick with the Greeks.

The Greeks had the Olympian Gods descended from the Titans, but I forget what the Titans came out of. Chaos, maybe. Or New York.

204 posted on 07/07/2002 8:15:29 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
From 'my rebuttal to God Hates Idiots Too' : "All of which probably co-evolve."

Wow, what a rebuttal - "probably"! Let me ask you just exactly how do traits coevolve? Not even the charlatan Darwin would claim such. In fact he said:"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down. " In Origins, Chapter 6. Notice the word "successive"? For things to 'coevolve' would imply a miracle and evolution, being atheistic, denies miracles.

In other words Vade, your rebuttal is no rebuttal at all, it is utter nonsense.

205 posted on 07/07/2002 8:16:30 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: Lazamataz
Unbelieveable.

Funny that you evolutionists cannot refute his posting if you it is absolute nonsense as you guys claim it is. Insults prove absolutely nothing except the lameness and the dishonesty of the opponents.

206 posted on 07/07/2002 8:23:47 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
The Earth is flat and sits on the back of a turtle.

Refute me.

207 posted on 07/07/2002 8:26:20 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: RadioAstronomer
Well, I can spare some spores, mold, and fungus from my collection if you like. :-)

Just don't cross the streams...

208 posted on 07/07/2002 8:40:29 AM PDT by Condorman
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To: VadeRetro
Yepp, that last one is pretty good but unfortunately it's from those pesky infidels, oy vey, oy vey!
209 posted on 07/07/2002 8:50:07 AM PDT by BMCDA
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To: Condorman
Just don't cross the streams...

I was wondering if anyone caught that. :-)

210 posted on 07/07/2002 8:57:20 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Lazamataz
The Earth is flat and sits on the back of a turtle.

Refute me.

Go to the NASA site and look at the pictures of the earth from space.

Everytime that I ask evolutionists to back up their statements they come up with nonsense like the above, ignore the posting, or insult. For people that claim that their theory is based on scientific evidence they never seem to be able to give any for their stupid theory.

211 posted on 07/07/2002 8:59:10 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: VadeRetro
But everything I can find in creationism as practiced by creationists

That's because there are no creationists. They only exist as a strawman for evolutionists to deceitfully attack Christians who oppose their stupid theory.

212 posted on 07/07/2002 9:06:33 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: PatrickHenry
Plato has been sulking, as the creationists have been questioning his ancestry. Ah, if only the creationists could know what lurks in their own family trees ...

One thing about you Patrick, you never tire of repeating lies that have been refuted dozens of times. Since the platypus has supposedly been evolving all this time, it must have had ancestors during that long evolution. Since evolution says that every feature gradually evolves from something else, then the features of the platypus must have come from another. So what species is the ancestor of the platypus - and I mean species not nonsense like 'the vertebrate family'. I mean what specific species it came from.

From what specific species did the following traits descend:
1. the mammary glands.
2. the egg laying.
3. 3 earbones.
4. the poison spur.
5. the duck like bill.
6. the webbed feet.
7. the toothless mouth.
8. the electro-sensor in the bill.
9. the fur.
10. the cloaca.
11. the ability to vocalize and make different sounds.

The evolutionists have been looking 150 years for the answer to the above, they still have not found it because it is utterly impossible for a species to have descended from several totally unrelated species.

213 posted on 07/07/2002 9:20:28 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: PatrickHenry
[Everyone is advised to save this page or bookmark those links if you want to preserve the info.]

LOL, sage advice from one who knows.

214 posted on 07/07/2002 9:30:04 AM PDT by Scully
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To: gore3000
The evolutionists have been looking 150 years for the answer to the above, they still have not found it because it is utterly impossible for a species to have descended from several totally unrelated species.

Beware of absolutes, I think the article this thread is based on should demonstrate this notion quite clearly.

Simply because evidence has not yet been discovered does NOT mean such evidence does not exist. How will you feel if fossils are indeed discovered on Mars? Will such a discovery place your faith in God on shaky ground? Remember, the popular opinion of the solar system was at one time that the Earth was the center and all other bodies moved around it. The Catholic Church was particularly testy on the matter. And yet, here we are today with a heliocentric model.

Never say never...

215 posted on 07/07/2002 9:40:44 AM PDT by Scully
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To: RadioAstronomer
I am indeed sorry, you have been stuggling valiantly with this problem for some time now. :(
216 posted on 07/07/2002 9:42:33 AM PDT by Scully
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To: Scully
Beware of absolutes, I think the article this thread is based on should demonstrate this notion quite clearly.

No the article does not demonstrate any such possibility. A species cannot descend from two different species. The platypus would need to have descended from several totally unrelated species if it had descended according to evolution. The 11 characteristics mentioned are found in totally unrelated species if found anywhere at all so yes it is impossible. That is why Darwin (even though he knew about the platypus, it was an utter sensation in Europe in the 1820's) did not even dare to mention the platypus in his works. Even though he was a complete charlatan who could talk his way out of almost anything, he did not even dare to try to explain away the platypus.

217 posted on 07/07/2002 9:51:48 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
No the article does not demonstrate any such possibility

How rigid and narrow your thinking is...I was not addressing the issue of cross-breeding, but rather the possibility that there are phenomena that exist quite nicely without our ability to comprehend the mechanisms for their very existence. There must be something about God and His activities that you personally do not comprehend and yet accept without question.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
(Genesis 1:1)

Do you know exactly how He accomplished this? Does God claim that He created every species at the moment He endowed Adam and Eve with consciousness? Does the Bible claim that each of these species are alive today, unchanged from that time? If you can claim personal knowledge of these things, then I refer you to the following:

"Where were you when I laid the earth's foundations? Tell me if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? On what were its footings set, or who laid the cornerstone - while the morning stars and all the angels shouted for joy." (Job 38:4-7)

218 posted on 07/07/2002 10:43:46 AM PDT by Scully
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To: All
there are no creationists.
212 posted on 7/7/02 12:06 PM Eastern by gore3000
I'll have to add that one to my ever-growning placemarker.
219 posted on 07/07/2002 10:44:37 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: VadeRetro
The Greeks had the Olympian Gods descended from the Titans, but I forget what the Titans came out of. Chaos, maybe. Or New York.

No, the Titans are from Tennessee. They came from Oilers of Houston. The Giants were from New York, but actually play in New Jersey.

220 posted on 07/07/2002 10:59:47 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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