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English And Welsh Are Races Apart
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| 6-30-2002
Posted on 07/04/2002 5:27:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: edwin hubble
"From a homeland somewhere near the Black Sea the Celts moved throughout Western Europe. Their cousins moved East to India. Sanscrit is closely akin to Gaelic in vocabulary and structure." IMO, this all ocurred after the Black Sea was flooded in 5600BC. They also moved into China and they are known as the Tocharians along with their extinct language (Indo-European), Tocharinan.
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posted on
02/22/2004 8:07:43 AM PST
by
blam
To: IronJack
Perhaps they could take them totally out of Prince Charles' pockets?
Especially Camilla's portion.
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posted on
02/22/2004 8:10:20 AM PST
by
Quix
(Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
To: Illbay
"I guess I'm stupid. I thought this was the way it worked all along. I didn't realize it was a controversy"
Same here. And the link to spain has long been known to scientists as well. Most believe the Irish and scots are related to a celtic people inhabiting the spanish peninsula who emigrated to the British isles roughly 2500 to 2800 years ago. They are called the celtiberians. Nothing new from what I have read on the subject for years.
CC
To: Jim Noble
Is that car an old Mercedes 190? It's not a 230sl, is it?
To: ladyjane
Jaguar E-type
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posted on
02/22/2004 8:19:03 AM PST
by
Jim Noble
(Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
To: Quix
"Is it true that their language seems unrelated to any other known language? Or are there some meager associations with something or other?" There are associations with other languages. I think one is Finnish and I've even read that there is an association with an American Indian language. It's apparently a very ancient language that is believed to have been wide-spread at one time.
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posted on
02/22/2004 8:22:36 AM PST
by
blam
To: blam
My Great Grandparents were from Wales.
To: Celtic Conservative
The "Celtiberians" are a different folk. The Basques and the proto-Irish were not Celtic at all. The Celtic language has been imposed on the Irish by conquest, and apparantly more than once!
The latest Celtic conquest occurred about 700 BC when the sons of Mir (the three brothers) sailed to what is now Ireland and named it Scotia, after their great goddess called Scota.
These folks had come from the Black Sea area to Spain at about the same time as the creation of Solomon's Israel (if you want a Biblical frame of reference).
The Celtiberian people (who lived much further South) were subjected to genocide by a Roman general who was tried for his crimes.
To: Jim Noble
Just checking to see if you were really looking at the car! LOL
To: blam
This is inellectually dishonest because it ignores evidence of the pre-celtic inhabitants who would be even truer Britons.
To: ladyjane
what car?
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posted on
02/22/2004 9:10:22 AM PST
by
Jim Noble
(Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
To: William Terrell
Did they evolve from apes at that spot, you think? Unlikely.
The "origin" of a racial, ethnic, national or religious group is normally considered to be that where they became distinguishable from ancestral groups.
For instance, Americans obviously all came from elsewhere. But none of their ancestors were Americans before their arrival and melding into a unique group.
Similarly, linguistic analysis shows that the Polynesians are primarily descended from a rather small group that spread out across the Pacific from Taiwan. Obviously, they weren't even really "native" to Taiwan, as their ancestors had come there from elsewhere. But at some point they developed a group of characteristics that was recognizably what we today call Polynesian.
My post was meant to point out that the Celts first became recognizable as Celts in Central Europe, probably somewhere around Bohemia. They migrated elsewhere, partly pulled by the desire to conquer others, and partly pushed by other groups coming into the areas they were leaving.
Which is pretty much the same history as every other group of humans.
To: blam
I always knew Ioan Gruffudd was one of a kind! (the Welsh actor in A&E's Horatio Hornblower series.)
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posted on
02/22/2004 10:17:54 AM PST
by
Ciexyz
To: dr_who
You know, Ioan Gruffudd (of Horatio Hornhooter fame) and Sean Connery of both kind of dark.... Ioan's eyes are light, hazel color. The dark hair, light eyes and fair skin is a nice combination. My Dad's people were Welsh, and they had dark hair and blue or brown eyes. My Dad had coal black hair but blue eyes. I always thought that if you had coal black hair, you were Italian or Hispanic, but the Welsh share that coloring, too.
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posted on
02/22/2004 10:25:32 AM PST
by
Ciexyz
To: dr_who
IF the purported secret Pentagon report that asserts that due to drastic weather, the 'British Isles' are to become under the sea or under ice,
they may all have to shove off.
Then there's the big commet some think will strike London.
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posted on
02/22/2004 10:47:20 AM PST
by
Quix
(Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
To: Fzob; general_re; dighton; aculeus; Incorrigible
Welshman once told me that the Irish are actually Welshman that could swim. Perhaps he wasn't joking after all. Well, if the Irish and Welsh are the same, the Paddy's were the ones that must have run screaming out of Wales, to avoid the god awful close harmony singing! :-)
And on a cheery note! Ireland hammered the shite out of Wales in the six nations rugby today in Landsdowne Road! :-)
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posted on
02/22/2004 10:53:42 AM PST
by
Happygal
(Le gách dea ghuí)
To: Savage Beast
Interesting perspective.
If happiness is the IQ of merit . . .
then all the Downs Syndrome and other physiologically mentally lacking folks I've met in many institutions are the highest IQ'd people.
Sort of an interesting twist on conventional wisdom.
Actually, we speak of 7 IQ's now.
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posted on
02/22/2004 11:01:47 AM PST
by
Quix
(Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
To: keithtoo
Monty Python . . .
The Grand Unified Theory of Galactic Silly Walks.
Now if certain idiot politicians would just take some long walks--silly or otherwise--off some short piers . . .
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posted on
02/22/2004 11:04:37 AM PST
by
Quix
(Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
To: muawiyah
Interesting . . .
on another thread recently was an assertion that ET's think it very, very strange that humans do not think of males and females as different species.
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posted on
02/22/2004 11:08:06 AM PST
by
Quix
(Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
To: Torie
I believe there actually is a blue Hibiscus. But it's quite rare as I understand it.
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posted on
02/22/2004 11:09:05 AM PST
by
Quix
(Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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