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English And Welsh Are Races Apart
BBC ^ | 6-30-2002

Posted on 07/04/2002 5:27:12 PM PDT by blam

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To: blam
However, the Basque language is not related in any way to the Indo-European languages. (Which still puzzles me.)

Neither are the languages spoken by the Finns,the Hungarians,and the Mari. They are related to each other,but are also not related to the Basque language.

BTW,the Mari are the native people of a section of modern day Russia called the "Mari Republic". For lack of a better description,they are a tribe of "Russia's Indians."It's about 600 KM's from Moscow,and "Yoshkar-Ola" is the capital town. I've been there and visited the Mari National Museum,and it is a fascinating place. You would swear you are looking at Cherokee artifacts. The Mari even looked like Cherokees.

I think it is really fascinating that three seperate cultures that far apart could share a language base that is in no way related to any of the languages that surround them.

261 posted on 08/29/2002 6:12:01 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
"The Mari even looked like Cherokees."

We had 28 Japanese engineers (they brought their families) visit our factory for about a year. We had a 'family day picnic' and everyone brought their kids. A mfg mgr friend of mine was an American Indian (don't know what tribe) and at the picnic he asked me if I could pick out his kids who were playing in a group of Japanese kids. I could not. He (as well as myself) was amazed at how closely they resembled each other.

Maybe this is why: The Zuni Enigma A good book, she makes a convincing case.

262 posted on 08/29/2002 6:29:49 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
No news here. I've known for a long time from reading material on the subject that this is the case. This article acts like this info is something new. It is not. Lots of material out there for years shows that the Welsh, Irish, and Basques are related.
263 posted on 08/29/2002 6:33:53 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: blam
Wasn't King Arthur the leader of the CLF (Cornish Liberation Front)?
264 posted on 08/29/2002 6:35:00 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: sneakypete
"I think it is really fascinating that three seperate cultures that far apart could share a language base that is in no way related to any of the languages that surround them."

If you're into this stuff, read The Tarim Mummies by Mallory & Mair. It's about the Caucasian mummies found in the desert in east central China. (Powerful)

265 posted on 08/29/2002 6:35:38 PM PDT by blam
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To: PJ-Comix
"Wasn't King Arthur the leader of the CLF (Cornish Liberation Front)?"

I'm not convinced that there ever was a king Arthur.

266 posted on 08/29/2002 6:37:32 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I just wonder why it matters?
267 posted on 08/29/2002 6:38:04 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: sneakypete
Neither are the languages spoken by the Finns,the Hungarians,and the Mari.

Also Estonian. Estonian language is almost the same as that of the Finnish.

268 posted on 08/29/2002 6:38:19 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Illbay
You stole my thunder Illbay! My last name is Jones and I'm pissed. Reparations NOW!
269 posted on 08/29/2002 6:41:50 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: blam
I'm not convinced that there ever was a king Arthur.

I think there was but it was embelleshed as a legend. For example, there were no Knights in armor back in King Arthur's time. Plus Celtic kings weren't into that whole chivalry and knighthood thing. Most likely the real King Arthur was a celtic chieftan wearing animal hide garb who led a revolt against the intruding Saxons. Oh, and King Arthur probably smelled like hell.

270 posted on 08/29/2002 6:43:40 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
Oh, and King Arthur probably smelled like hell.
Which would explain the split with Guineveire?
271 posted on 08/29/2002 6:48:50 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: PJ-Comix
"I think there was but it was embelleshed as a legend. "

His reputed death occurred at the same time some (Baillie, Bailey, Clube, etc) think a comet fragment plunged into the Celtic Sea and began the Dark Ages. (which was worldwide)

272 posted on 08/29/2002 6:52:21 PM PDT by blam
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To: LostTribe
Interesting take. Do you know more about the Normans, resources, etc, that are as detailed as the Celtic examples? I've traced my last name to the Normans so I'm very interested.
273 posted on 08/29/2002 7:21:35 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation
> Do you know more about the Normans, resources, etc, that are as detailed as the Celtic examples?

I'm sorry but I don't. The place to go to be saturated in the Norman Conquest, 1066 and all that is Britain (or France). However, I'm told they have now stopped teaching about 1066 in the British schools. Awwwkkk! Something about "dead white males"...

We know the Normans were VERY Celtic, from their Celtic Norse and Dansk roots, to the Celtic French women some of them married. They invaded the Celtic English who had just defeated other Celtic Norse near York. Two battles in so short a time was too much for the English.

One reason we "know" so little about the Celts in general is most everything we know in America is written in English, mostly in England! Most of us don't have access to the huge body of Celtic material written in French, German, and other European languages which take quite a different view of the exclusivity the English claim on THEIR Celts.

274 posted on 08/29/2002 8:19:31 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: PJ-Comix
Also Estonian. Estonian language is almost the same as that of the Finnish.

I'm not sure this is true. I have a friend who is a linguist and also a Mari,and she has told me it is only the three languages that are related. She is a university professor who has written a textbook on the Mari language,taught it in Finland,and given lectures on it at endangered languages conferences in Hungary. I'm pretty sure I will spell this wrong, but the three are desiginated as "Finno-Ugiric".

275 posted on 08/29/2002 10:57:34 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: blam
The Celtic League
Ireland (Eire)
Scotland (Alba)
Isle of Man (Mannin)
Cornwall (Kernow)
Wales (Cymru)
Brittany (Breizh)

276 posted on 08/29/2002 11:30:35 PM PDT by Consort
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To: sneakypete
I believe Estonian is very similar to Finnish. The capital of Estonia is Tallinn. That sounds kind of Finnish to me.
277 posted on 08/30/2002 5:06:25 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
Languages of Finland. Languages of Estonia. Quote from another language web site: "Finnish, like Estonian, spoken across the Gulf of Finland, is one of the Finno-Ugric languages, which constitute the main branch of the Uralic family."
278 posted on 08/30/2002 6:03:26 AM PDT by Consort
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To: sneakypete
Does anyone know who the people were that spoke/wrote Tocharian A and B?
279 posted on 08/30/2002 8:30:50 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
The Twghry spoke Tocharian.
280 posted on 08/30/2002 9:58:11 AM PDT by Consort
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