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English And Welsh Are Races Apart
BBC ^ | 6-30-2002

Posted on 07/04/2002 5:27:12 PM PDT by blam

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To: muawiyah
I was aware that England was ruled by Angevin kings. I was -- and still am -- unaware that any Celtic dialect was spoken in Anjou.
241 posted on 07/05/2002 7:43:58 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: muawiyah
. . .the Celtic Fringe raised their use to a high art.

Have you seen bagpipes played in the presence of a cat? Suddenly there is no cat, nothing but hints of fur blown about by the air rushing into a small vaccum hole.

Cats don't react well to machanical profanity played in their own language.

242 posted on 07/05/2002 10:04:42 PM PDT by William Terrell
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To: leilani
>Sadly, I don't think Thor Heyerdahl (sp?) ever proved anything conclusively at all

In all fairness to Thor, I think we should note that those who disagreed with Thor never proved anything conclusively either. They simply had the weight of "tradition", that anchor to progress which incorporates unsubstantiated speculation in the absence of other answers, and over time becomes known as "settled fact".

The true history of the Lost Tribes of Israel also has to challenge wholly unsubstantiated and agenda-driven "traditional" views of history. And that is now happening.

243 posted on 07/06/2002 9:51:43 AM PDT by LostTribe
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To: aristeides
Gallo is the language from which both the French dialects and the English creoles are ultimately derived.

As it turns out no Celtic language has been incorporated into either.

Gallo, as a language derives primarily from Latin.

Important Note - it is likely none of the Angevenian royalty who lived in Brittany ever bothered to learn any part of English.

244 posted on 07/06/2002 12:31:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: aristeides
It should theoretically be possible for Gallegos, both those in Portugual and in Spain to understand a Latin speaker due the commonality of the grammar and the vocabulary.

The current language used in Galicia IS NOT GAELIC!

The Spanish and Portuguese brutally suppressed the speaking of Galician in the 1500s, whereupon it died out. Currently there is a dispute raging in the area over whether they should use the Spanish or the Portuguese version of the Gallegos language - .

Eventually this will all be resolved in favor of English.

245 posted on 07/06/2002 12:36:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: blam
Certainly the Dark Ages were worldwide. Europe didn't escape, and while most of it rusted away, the Gaelic speakng people in the Celtic Fringe raised it's use to a high art.

Do you deny Europe had a Dark Age? Do you deny the pipe to be the most sublime instrument ever developed for the making of music?

246 posted on 07/06/2002 12:43:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: aristeides
Yes,

Bagpipes were an indigenous folk instrument from France and Spain to the Black Sea. I've seen examples from Czechoslovakia and France.




247 posted on 07/06/2002 12:46:48 PM PDT by edwin hubble
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To: aristeides
The Britons were not "semi-Romanized". In the end, some of them went to Byzantium and became emperors thereby demonstrating they were "fully-Romanized" - although some experts in the field make a case for the "Galicization" of the Romans!
248 posted on 07/06/2002 12:46:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Illbay
Get ready for a new term to the affect of "Native Britons".

They’ll be opening casinos throughout the UK.

249 posted on 07/06/2002 12:59:00 PM PDT by Barnacle
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To: muawiyah
"Do you deny Europe had a Dark Age?

No. Most of us were taught that the Dark Ages were (more or less) exclusively an European thing. I was just stating that whatever (comet into the Celtic Sea?) caused the Dark Ages had a worldwide impact.

"Do you deny the pipe to be the most sublime instrument ever developed for the making of music?"

I have zero knowledge about pipes

250 posted on 07/06/2002 3:46:01 PM PDT by blam
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To: muawiyah
Tree Rings Challenge History
251 posted on 07/06/2002 3:48:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
There are several times in history when it has been necessary to repopulate the European peninsula from the British Isles. Certainly the Dark Ages were bad everywhere, but they were not so bad in the tropics, or in the Middle East, or even in Byzantium where they only lasted about a generation.

The Chinese experience extended to several hundred years. Writing and Buddhism was taken to Japan shortly after their start in 538AD, so we must assume Japan was much better off than the Chinese Mainland or Korea!

Mohammad and his Disciples were off to a running start to roll back the Dark Ages in the 600s while Northern and Western Europe became virtually depopulated. Something besides bad food drove the Angels and Saxons off the continent and into the Isles.

American Indian civilizations suffered mightily in that period.

Still, the bagpipes received their most salubrious development in the 600 to 1700 period, and that was in the hands of the Gaelic speaking people in the Celtic Fringe!

(NOTE - everybody knows what is meant by pipe or pipes except, perhaps, hash smokers.)

252 posted on 07/06/2002 4:39:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: blam
Good article. Works for me.
253 posted on 07/06/2002 5:24:47 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: muawiyah
(NOTE - everybody knows what is meant by pipe or pipes except, perhaps, hash smokers.)

And plumbers. Cats have a genetic understanding.

254 posted on 07/06/2002 6:12:26 PM PDT by William Terrell
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To: muawiyah
The Dark Ages: Were They Darker Than We Imagined?
255 posted on 07/06/2002 8:28:51 PM PDT by blam
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Ernest, will you be so kind and file this in Gods, Graves, Glyphs. Thanks
256 posted on 07/06/2002 8:30:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: LostTribe; blam
OK, that does it, I can claim I am totally Celtic.
Granparents were Danish, English, German which came from the same stock.
257 posted on 07/06/2002 10:36:00 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: blam; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs
My pleasure!

To find all articles tagged or indexed using 'Gods, Graves, Glyphs'

Click here: 'Gods, Graves, Glyphs'

258 posted on 07/06/2002 10:38:25 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
>OK, that does it, I can claim I am totally Celtic. Granparents were Danish, English, German which came from the same stock.

Works for me. Without getting too picky, the only caveat is the German connection. The geography we today call Germany was named after the Celtic tribe named The Germani. But these Germani Celts were driven west and north by non-Celtic tribes called Huns who then occupied the territory. However it was not renamed "Hunsville" or the like after them.

Todays Germany is a mix of Slavic Huns ("roundheads") and Celts ("fish heads"). Some of northern Germany is Celtic (like Denmark), but so are many parts of the rest of the country. Most of East Germany is Slavic, as well as much of the south. But trying to determine it closer than that is beyond my ability or interest. That's a real can of worms.

259 posted on 07/06/2002 11:49:06 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
P.S. You may want to click on my Profile again and re-read the 3-MINUTE HISTORY. I did a major edit on it today and added some more detail which should interest you. (Gotta watch it or it will grow to become a 4-MINUTE HISTORY.)
260 posted on 07/06/2002 11:55:51 PM PDT by LostTribe
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