[_Jim]

What signs?

Many signs.

I have seen the signs, such as these people get real 'edgy' (heart-rate, BP rise) and uncomfortable without their crutch - these signs AREN'T hard to spot and mankind has had a LOT of experience with alkies over the years.

There was no test for alcoholism at the time and, as far as I know, none now.

Oh brother ... this isn't rocket science and simply denying it as a form of argumentation won't cut it (now or in the future).

If one has a chance (as many of the MDs and other scientists did) to examine our human 'lab rats' as closely as the astronauts - there wouldn't be MANY SECRETS AT ALL theyu could keep to themselves ...

If the alcoholic abstains what vital signs tell the monitors he's an alcoholic?

I also notice that 'alkies' have trouble learning new tasks - and get flustered easily when situations out of the norm arise ... don't you think that the rigours of the tests they subjected these guys to wouldn't 'flush out' adverse reactions at some point?

All in all I think you're making stuff up -

- or repeating old wive's tales told at AA or Al-Anon meetings ...

[aculeus]

People like myself who have managed to educate ourselves on the subject of alcoholism by reading (about 200 books on the subject) attending lectures, experiencing familial alcoholism, attending scores of AA and Alanon meetings never cease to be amazed by people who haven't done any of the above but who nonetheless pontificate on the subject.

Others on this forum, people I trust, are aware of my identity and of the book I wrote which has been used to train alcoholism counselors at more than one college and which has been translated into four foreign languages. If I thought you were trustworthy I'd post the amazon.com link, but since you've accused me of fabricating facts I have no interest in doing that or in responding to any of your future posts on this matter.