MY VOTE IS FOR SALE

Vanity | July 4, 2002 | B. A. Conservative

[tpaine]

"Just vote out the Democrats." -JR-
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----- Nice dream. -----

- But it ain't gonna happen no matter how much we pray. -

[RonPaulLives]

You keep saying repeatedly, parrot-like: "Vote out the Democrats....Vote out the Democrats...Vote out the Democrats." I guess we can give you credit for consistency. And seems to me, correct me if I am wrong, that you are saying we should wait until there are 435 GOP Rep's and 100 GOP Senator's before looking at third parties. And you know that is never going to happen. If everyone on Free Republic voted only on party and not principles (God help the Republic), does anyone here even think that there would still be a possibility of 335 GOP Rep's?? 300 GOP Rep's?? 280 GOP Rep's, anyone? Point being that there are always going to be elected criminals representing the other party. but that should not excuse overlooking thieves of freedom in our own party.

We need to, IMHO, instead concentrate on electing the conservatives of all, or no, parties.

But do you really think that all Republican candidates in November are part of the solution and that all Democratic candidates are part of the problem??? I was involved with the local Republican Party here in Louisville, KY for a few years, which was truly a couple more years than I could stomach. It was as if they would consistently be saying "Yeah, but those are OUR bureacratic thugs" when the GOP would blatantly abuse power, or "At least its the Republicans doing it and not the Democrats." It doesn't make a difference: jackbooted thugs are jackbooted thugs, and the party they checked on the little insignficant piece of paper called a voter registration card is irrelevant.

My voting record to this point has been as follows:
If there is a Republican and a Democrat, and no other candidate on the ballot for a given government office, I will always vote for the Republican IF he/she is more Constitutional. (That is what I will be doing this year in casting a vote for U.S. Rep Anne Northup.) If there are more candidates on the ballot for a position than just the two parties (read: one party/two heads), then I STILL vote for whichever is more Constitutional. IMHO, if everyone did this, we would have more conservative Republicans winning primaries, more conservative candidates (period) winning general elections and smaller government overall.

[pattycake]

You must have been reading my mind because as we were on our trip this weekend I kept thinking with 80,000 freepers we should be able to get our views and thoughts out to the corrupt policitians. I am tired of this tax system, I am tired of supporting the rest of the world and then let them get away with saying how arrogant we are or that we should not try to defend ourselves against Iraq or the terrorists. I'm tired of our people being harrassed at the airports and not profiling the very people who murdered 3,000 of our own and others around the world. Obviously, I could go on and on, glad you brought this up now what to do about it? I call my reps for what it is worth and I am not kind about what I say to them.

[B. A. Conservative]

Welcome to the fight for freedom. Start warming up the oven; we are only two months from what could be an interesting election and a worthy followup to Election 2000.

[Jim Robinson]

The ones with the "Ds" of course.

[Jim Robinson]

It will if you vote against them.

[Jim Robinson]

Vote them out! That's no parrot. That's what it takes. There is NO other way.

[tpaine]

"Just vote out the Democrats." -JR-
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----- Nice dream. -----

- But it ain't gonna happen no matter how much we pray. -

141 posted on 9/2/02 3:07 PM Pacific by tpaine
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It will if you vote against them.
-JR- _________________________________

Funny, Last one I, [and millions of others], voted ~for~ was JFK, and look where we are.

-- Nope, voting for more Rinos is not going to restore respect for our constitution.
But you know that.

[Jim Robinson]

Whatever. Vote out the Demos.

[tpaine]

Exactly. - But 'whatever' ain't gonna be the plan that accomplishes that goal.

You had the right instinct, imo, establishing the RLC forum. Too bad it sorta bombed.
- Any ideas on why?

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[Jim Robinson]

Vote them out. That is the plan. All else is b/s.

[tpaine]

Vote them out. That is the plan. All else is b/s.
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Its all B/S? -- Whatever.

[AM2000]

Interesting how conservatives who get all starry eyed when they talk about President Bush's "moral clarity" on foreign policy and dismiss Kissingerian realpolitik, are more than happy to embrace realpolitik on the domestic scene and dismiss the very idea of voting based on moral clarity, isn't it?

[tpaine]

Yep, tis a wonder.

'Moral clarity' seems to be very much in the eye of the beholder, here at FR.

[exodus]

To: exodus
I doubt we disagree much regarding what a conservative is. I just want the Democrats OUT! NOW! The sooner the better. This takes brute force and bludgeoning. No third party can accomplish that. After the death grip has been broken, then we can argue about finesse.
# 113 by Jim Robinson

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Let's say that you get what you want. The Republicans win it all. They gain a two-thirds majority in the House and the Senate, and even win the Presidency, by pandering to the liberals. We steal virtually all the Democratic Party's voters.

Now we can work for smaller, less intrusive government! Now we can institute conservative policies! Now we can rid the country of nanny-state do-gooders! Now we can stop the officially sanctioned encroachment of our freedom!

Wrong.

At the first sign that Republicans are going back on their promises to support and extend socialist feel-good policies, the liberals would abandon the Republicans. If that happened, the Republicans would lose their majority.

They would never risk it. Republicans could never alienate their liberal base and still retain power.

In order to draw in liberal voters, Republicans will have to fulfill the desires of socialists. That's the only thing that will bring liberal votes to the party.

If the Republican Party makes a successful power grab by bringing in the liberal vote, the Republicans will become a liberal party.

We must teach the Republicans that to retain our vote, they must consistently support conservative ideas and conservative policies.

The only way to show that we are serious is to vote for third party conservatives.

"If I vote for a Democrat to protest the direction taken by the Republican party, Republicans will point to my liberal vote as the direction they should go to gain my support.

If I vote for a Republican as the lesser of two evils, they'll point to my vote as an expression of confidence in their socialist policies.

If I stay home, and don't vote at all, they'll use statistics to decide why I didn't vote this time, and they'll bend those statistics to mean whatever is convenient for their purposes.

I want a conservative, so I'll vote 3rd party. When I vote for a conservative, even a 3rd party conservative, THERE IS NO QUESTION what it takes to win my vote. I want a conservative, and I won't accept anything less.

Republicans will point to my vote as the direction they need to go in order to gain my support. Democrats themselves will move to the right, as Clinton did in 1992, in an attempt to show me that they believe, just as I do, in freedom."

[AM2000]

Maybe we could just intimidate liberals into not voting. Then the Republican majority will have come about without any liberal votes. All we really have to do is disenfranchise them. Somehow.

Yes, I'm being sarcastic.

[ladyinred]

I was okay until I read that we should stay home and not vote. Republicans losing power doesn't mean they listen next time, it means we lose our Republic to a very evil Socialist regime. No thanks.

[exodus]

To: B. A. Conservative
"...Do you see ads for cars during Saturday morning cartoons? No. Kids don't buy cars."

"...a politician doesn't care about people who won't vote. It is awfully hard to tell whether that person sitting home is doing so out of apathy or out of protest.

But if politicians see third parties starting to garner 5-10% of the vote, that will change their behavior.

So I would vote, but vote for a third party."

# 132 by Earn Your Vote

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Well said, Earn Your Vote.

[Jim Robinson]

Third parties are too weak. Not enough numbers. If you want a more conservative government (and I do) then you are going to have to start by eliminating the most liberal (ie, leftist) elements. You will find them heavily concentrated in the Democrat party. Vote them out. In large numbers. The message that will send to both parties is that the American people despise and reject marxism! The only message you send by voting for an inconsequential third party or by not voting at all is that you don't give a damn. The left with thank you for that.

[UnBlinkingEye]

The only message you send by voting for an inconsequential third party or by not voting at all is that you don't give a damn.

I respectfully disagree.

The Republicans and Democrats combined represent less than half the population of those eligible to vote. The only way to make third parties be of any consequence is to vote for them.

Government continues to grow and our rights shrink under Republicrat rule. Who wants to continue on that course?