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Al Queida terrorists eating well, packing on pounds thanks to USA
American Forces Information Service | 7.3.02 | Rudi Williams

Posted on 07/03/2002 12:12:11 PM PDT by meandog

NAVAL STATION GUANTANAMO BAY, Cuba, July 3, 2002 -- "The hotter the food, the better they like it." But Navy mess specialist Chief Petty Officer Colleen M. Schonhoff said preparing tasty, nutritious, spicy hot food for the Muslim detainees here at Camp Delta isn't her major concern.

"We have to make sure that the food is halal approved," said Schonhoff, overseer of the galleys at Guantanamo Bay that feed the detainees and U.S. service members. "Meats for the detainees have to be handled a certain way under Muslim requirements. When I order meat for military people, I just say I want 50 pounds of chicken, and it doesn't matter how that chicken has been handled as long as it's USDA approved. For the Muslims, I have to have a certificate from the company that says it's halal approved. I'm required to keep the certificate on file in case I'm ever questioned."

For instance, a certificate of Islamic slaughter must accompany every shipment of meat for the detainees. The Islamic Services of America must certify that the meat is halal beef that was handled according to all Islamic slaughter procedures and guidelines.

The 564 detainees at Camp Delta represent 39 countries, mostly where Islam is the main religion. Joint Task Force 160 is responsible for their security and care at the camp.

Muslims use two terms to describe food - halal and haram. Halal is an Arabic word, which means lawful or allowed, but it is sometimes translated as acceptable or not forbidden. Haram means the opposite - unlawful or prohibited. Halal foods are foods that are permitted for consumption under Islamic law. It is sinful for a Muslim to consume haram foods.

Haram foods include pig, dog, donkey, and animals having fangs, such as monkeys, cats and lions. It also includes amphibians such as frogs, crocodiles and turtles. Alcohol, harmful substances, poisonous and intoxicating plants or drinks are also haram.

"You have to have halal certificates on chicken and beef, but there are no strict requirements on fish," she noted.

"My galley prepares two meals a day for the detainees -- breakfast and the evening meal," she noted. "They eat a vegetarian meal ready to eat, or MRE, for lunch. The menu that the dietitian prepared for us is about 2,300 calories. Add the MRE and they get about 2,600 calories per day. I like to believe they're eating a lot better here than they were wherever they were before they got here. We take pretty good care of them."

Bob Barkley, the building manager of the Seaside Galley, where food is prepared for the detainees, said naval hospital dietitian Lt. Donna M. Sporrer created the menu.

"We were furnished with basic recipes that give general guidelines as to how to season the food," Barkley said. "We just follow those and they seem to be happy.

"My main goal was to make sure they got all the nutrition requirements they need -- proteins, vitamins, minerals and carbohydrates," Sporrer said. "I had to look at the budget, too, so it's primarily a vegetarian diet, rice, beans, fruit and vegetables. They're getting almost everything they need from two meals a day."

A typical breakfast consists of pita bread, rice, curried eggs and peas, milk and fresh fruit, or hash browns, pita bread, a boiled egg, milk and fresh fruit. A typical dinner consists of rice, pita bread, meat and vegetable curry, milk, fresh fruit and margarine. A variant is rice, baked fish, stew sauce, spinach, orange or orange juice, milk and bread and margarine. JTF 160 provides the lunch vegetarian MREs.

"We serve them two special meals per year," Schonhoff noted. "For example, we served them lamb stew, rice, loaf bread, baklava and tea at the end of Ramadan in April. The Joint Task Force tells us when to serve the special meals."

Sporrer said before the detainees started arriving last January, she gave Schonhoff guidelines about acceptable ingredients for Muslim diets. She also provided recipes that follow halal guidelines. The previous Muslim chaplain helped by giving Sporrer a Muslim cookbook.

She said purchasing meat for the detainees is much like buying kosher meat, "except you're buying halal-approved meat that's blessed by a Muslim chaplain before it's slaughtered."

Schonhoff said the cooks didn't have to have any special training to prepare food for the detainees. They just follow the recipes and use different spices to season the food.

"In their culture, they like food a little more spicy than we traditionally cook for our troops," Schonhoff said about the detainees. "We usually put hot sauce on the table and let the troops add their own. For the detainee meals, we use curries and a couple of other spices we bought for them."

Schonhoff said when she arrived at Gitmo about three years ago, it was a quiet little duty station with one galley. That ended with the detainees' arrival.

Before the enclosed Seaside Galley opened on June 14, the only galley, other than the one in the hospital facility, was the Quick Hall Galley in the Marine section of the base.

"Before the big influx of detainees and troops, we fed about 300 meals a day," she noted. "Then we went to more than 3,800 meals a day and were still doing it out of Quick Hall. We shipped containers of food all around the base."


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With apologies to Marie Antoinette "Let them eat pig!"
1 posted on 07/03/2002 12:12:11 PM PDT by meandog
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To: meandog
At Gitmo, everyday should be "Beans and Franks Day". Let them sit and gas each other.
2 posted on 07/03/2002 12:15:02 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: meandog
"The hotter the food, the better they like it." But Navy mess specialist Chief Petty Officer Colleen M. Schonhoff said preparing tasty, nutritious, spicy hot food for the Muslim detainees here at Camp Delta isn't her major concern. "We have to make sure that the food is halal approved," said Schonhoff, overseer of the galleys at Guantanamo Bay that feed the detainees and U.S. service members.

Absolutely surreal.

3 posted on 07/03/2002 12:22:15 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: meandog
What a total crock! Let them have bread and water. That's still more than they got back home! Someone has to get some sense here! THEY ARE PRISONERS. Not vacationers! As far as I'm concerned make them pig sh*t soup and let them eat that! Unblessed of course!
4 posted on 07/03/2002 12:34:31 PM PDT by Chi-Town Lady
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Fatten 'em up for the "harvest". :^)
5 posted on 07/03/2002 12:38:48 PM PDT by meyer
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To: meandog
Make sure it is all fried and loaded with cholestoral, and undentifiable.. Thats what the criminals in most of our prisons eat.

Give em Mystery Meat..

6 posted on 07/03/2002 12:42:20 PM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: Chi-Town Lady
In the meantime, people in the U.S.A. are missing meals to pay for bills and in Africa are just plain starving.
7 posted on 07/03/2002 12:44:16 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: meandog
I'm building a dirty bomb = Stick o' dynomite rolled in bacon bits.
8 posted on 07/03/2002 12:44:41 PM PDT by MP5SD
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To: meandog
This just makes me sick. There is no hope for us. Our government is run by a bunch of idiots. And no one give me any of that crap about...oh yeah, well why don't you just leave! This is a ridiculous waste of tax payers money (yet another) and an insult to the working poor people of America who don't eat as well as these murderous a$$holes.
9 posted on 07/03/2002 12:49:50 PM PDT by Cicero5
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To: Chi-Town Lady
Haha...you kinda beat me to it. I was going to ask is bread and water halal or haram?
10 posted on 07/03/2002 12:54:58 PM PDT by CastleMan95
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To: meandog
Oh come on! We are just trying to show these poor guys that America has a nice side. Once they see that we mean them no harm they will love the US, and each of us. As they gain weight and are treated with respect they can be taught that the USA is a great place where they will soon be allowed to live and work in a job of their choosing. The US should let them live in a rent free place till they are on their feet, learn the language, learn their gov't job and make connections with the various Islamic groups already in this country. Then we will all get along in love and peace and harmony.

Well, that is until they start killing Americans AGAIN!

12 posted on 07/03/2002 1:09:07 PM PDT by mad puppy
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To: meandog
This just PO's me. We're coddling them.

Food: RegArmyChow. Forget Halal. HamandCheese. Don't want it, don't eat it.

Offer beer, rum rations!

NO Koran - No directions to Mucca.

Gaining weight! Guess it's a good psyops strategy; word is getting around the jihadi world that getting captured by America is good for your diet and health and medical care.


13 posted on 07/03/2002 1:15:56 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: CastleMan95
Oh why can't people just see what a plague on society they are. I'd rather have my tax dollars going to feed the poor kids in Appalachia rather than ANY FOREIGNERS! If we stopped feeding the rest of the world, that breds like cockroaches, without a thought of how they are going to care for them, we'd have no problem taking care of our own.
14 posted on 07/03/2002 1:18:38 PM PDT by Chi-Town Lady
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To: meandog
This is a plot by America to bankrupt the Islamic world by causing them to have to buy two seats on Southwest.
15 posted on 07/03/2002 1:34:41 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: meandog
"Meats for the detainees have to be handled a certain way under Muslim requirements.

Are you people CRAZY??? I mean, as in certifiable? Or are you actually enrolled in al-Quaida?

As if there's anything wrong with OATMEAL for these murdering swine? And if they need a meat supplement, oatmeal with pig lard should do nicely. With no seasoning whatsoever.

Geez. Sometimes I think the world at large is mentally ill.

16 posted on 07/03/2002 2:22:52 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: meandog
Well, the expense of doing this probably saves the government money in the long run - the cost of fending off ACLU lawsuits and countering the disapproval of the International Left in the media would probably be a lot higher.
17 posted on 07/03/2002 2:50:41 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Mr. Jeeves
I think you are right. It probably is cost effective.

When I first read the article it made me a little hot under the collar. On reflection, this is the type of treatment that makes the U.S.A the best country in the world.

We treat them better than we treat ourselves. That says a lot about us and our culture. We don't have it within ourselves to do anything less.

Contrary to what two judges on the 9th Circut feel, we live "under God". This is what living under God is all about.

18 posted on 07/03/2002 3:23:15 PM PDT by B-bone
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To: meandog
Many years ago when Meir Kahnane was in prison, he sued the government to be given Kosher food. He won the suit and got nothing but canned tuna fish until he was released.
19 posted on 07/03/2002 3:24:34 PM PDT by Salman
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To: meyer
Right on.

Feed them Van Kamp's Pork 'n' Beans.

20 posted on 07/03/2002 3:25:23 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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