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To: bonesmccoy
Happy 4th of July.

I will clarify, hopefully for the final, time my position. But even before that I wish to clear up a few of your misconceptions about me. You assume that I now work for Loral. I never said I did or did not. I have worked for or with three commercial companies and three government offices (NASA, SPAWAR, and NRO) in the last 11 years, both as a government technical rep (while on active duty) and as an engineer (post military career.) I am not management. I am a senior engineer and have led technical teams and major programs. I have worked both in and out of the 'black' world, so you needn't concern yourself about my clearance. I help develop and implement the technologies that keep our nation leading in aerospace. I do not give those technologies to anybody. Now to your response...

First, I neither defend illegal practices nor those that perpetrate them. When greedy wallstreeters can 'purchase' favor from corrupt politicians, both should be called to the carpet. In this case, a senior manager (who fyi was of asian decent) with or without consent of corporate (I don't know) picked up a failure report, part of a normal insurance investigation after the long march failure, walked across his office and faxed it to an office in the PRC without consulting with the defense dept tech tranfer office. For that, besides the subsequent removal of this person, the company was fined roughly $10 million by the very govt that as you point out was complicite in helping them create the chinese relationship that was being formed between Clinton and Bejing. Everything that occured up to the unforeseen faxing by said individual was legal. No one below said individual knew or could have known the actions he would take without authority.

With regards to political processes in satellite awards, you are correct that govt approval is required for export liscense. However the contract must be won by the company like any other business activity and the govt does not match up customer with preffered contractor. My comment was that Loral competes fairly to win those awards.

You have properly identified the true perpetraitors via the Cox report, Schwart, Armstrong, and Tellep in collusion with Ron Brown and Clinton managed to swindle the entire country into thinking that relaxing export controls (and allowing such security gaps that occured in both this industry and others such as computer inustry and the national labs) was good policy. Again, they should be hung for this. But I continue to disagree with you that good employees with niether knowledge of the illegal acts or the ability to influence national policy of the time should be scorned by fellow Americans.

Hughes' aquisition by Boeing has less to do with its misdemeaners in the Chinese affair than industry consolidation and Boeings desire to enter the satellite market. For what its worth, it is not unlikely that Loral will be aquired Lockheed in the near future. Would that aquisition suddenly release the employees from the focus of your anger?

I personally think the military activities in Bosnia by the US under Clinton were illegal, yet I can not fault the soldiers, sailors, and airmen who carried out what they believed to be orders in the interest of national security as the then administration would claim. What happened at Loral was far less obvious to all but a very few, but I hope you see the parallel.

As to the hospital shutdowns, I wish only the best for those decent hardworking med professionals displaced by the greed and illegal activity of superiors.

106 posted on 07/05/2002 12:05:33 AM PDT by Magnum44
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To: Magnum44
In your previous message it appeared that you were an employee of Loral. Your comment, in part, reads: "Your insinuation is that patriots like myself who are employed at Loral..."

Your phrasing suggested that you are an employee of Loral.

In total, most of your comments are correct. However, your specific recollection of the events surrounding the leakage of US technology to the PRC is troubling. The Cox report was clear in their characterization of multiple failures within both Loral and Hughes.

In essence, your attempt by "employees" to waive guilt-by-association is kind-hearted, but will not create the societal change required to defend our liberty. Social change occurs from the middle-class. The middle-class IS the work force who CHOSES to work for Loral and similar companies.

Only when Americans take personal responsibility in their own decisions that we will have protection from people like Schwartz.

107 posted on 07/05/2002 1:21:06 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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