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What, no snappy reply to my post 72? You gonna want to know about my service record? Fine, Commander, USNR. Born and raised in Illinois. DMG, University of Illinois Navy ROTC. Nine years active duty in DD's, DDG's and FFG's with the Atlantic Fleet. Recalled to fight the Battle of the Pentagon during Desert Storm. And if I ever had an insubordinate SOB like Mike New under my command I'd kick is ass from here to next Christmas and then I'd toss what was left of it into the brig.

Commander, you may not like New. You may not agree with his stand. As his commander, it would be your obligation to punish him according to UCMJ. However, your use of your (delegated) authority to inflict emotional pain above and beyond any required military justice does not, in my estimation, speak to your credit.

I respect New as a patriot. I also respect you, as a senior officer. In this matter, I side with New. Again: what do you do with the Tuskeegee Airmen, and their refusal to follow orders regarding segregation? Bet you would call them heroes. Well I call New a hero. The UN and the US Constitutional are not capable of being harmonized. Care to disprove me, using the Constitution. (Remember, the oath is to defend the Constitution, correct?)

...if I ever had an insubordinate SOB like Mike New under my command..

You have no command, you're retired, thank God. {;o)~

....And if I ever had an insubordinate SOB like Mike New under my command I'd kick is ass from here to next Christmas and then I'd toss what was left of it into the brig....

With all due respect Commander, I think you're being a bit disingenuious here. You know durned well you would not have kicked anyone's fourth point of contact. You would have followed established procedures, just as SPC New's chain of command did.

Although I appreciate the sentiment, let's not get carried away eh sir?

RLTW!

Semper Suo

Courtesy of your butt-boy-pal o-p-h: your career constitutes that of a "sycophant running around in fatigues."

Big deal, you tought ROTC and sailed a desk. Wow. Got any medals comparable to a CIB?

Didn't hear you, "Commander!" Guess we know the answer. Dismissed, chickensir.

What, no snappy reply to my post 72? You gonna want to know about my service record? Fine, Commander, USNR. Born and raised in Illinois. DMG, University of Illinois Navy ROTC. Nine years active duty in DD's, DDG's and FFG's with the Atlantic Fleet. Recalled to fight the Battle of the Pentagon during Desert Storm. And if I ever had an insubordinate SOB like Mike New under my command I'd kick is ass from here to next Christmas and then I'd toss what was left of it into the brig.

You sound like a truly wonderful military person. If there are more like you out there, perhaps y'all could serve under UN command so those who don't think it's constitutional, don't have to do that.

I'm sorry to hear, but not completely surprised to find out, that Michael New has run into some prescription drug problems. I knew a couple combat medics after VN who just seemed to have learned too much about medicine for their own damned good.

I didn't inquire about your military experience, but since you were so quick to lay it all out there, I'll certainly be polite, salute the Navy rank and say thank you for your service to our nation. I'll even admit there were a few days and nights around Nha Trang in '67 that I was delitefully impressed with the Navy's ability to move dirt with 8"guns, from 5 miles offshore. But as an old Inf OCS grunt I must be honest and say from experience, ROTC just isn't all that 'strack' ... and the Navy yet.

On a more serious note, I find the older officers from VN era and before are much more concerned with the 'global-homoginization' of our military forces. The newer crop seem much more willing to accept service and deployment into U.N. Police Actions run by politicians. While that may serve U.S. corporate interests, it happens at the risk and expense of national sovereignty and American blood. Something I consider sacred.

I've never gotten the impression that Sp4New was just some smart-assed troop who acted upon a wild impulse when he refused to show up in formation that morning w/o the American flag on his shoulder ... I feel certain he thought long and hard before he made his stand. I'm certain it took an enormous amount of courage in the face of tremendous pressure, not to mention that it all took place during the Homo-feminization of our military - the Klinton era. This was not the mark nor the actions of a man who was weak, a slacker or simply a smart-ass fool.

This was the evidence of deep-felt conviction and the final outcome of his case is still undecided, with many of us who stand beside him, understanding our national sovereignty is on the line.

"What, no snappy reply to my post 72? You gonna want to know about my service record? Fine, Commander, USNR. Born and raised in Illinois. DMG, University of Illinois Navy ROTC. Nine years active duty in DD's, DDG's and FFG's with the Atlantic Fleet. Recalled to fight the Battle of the Pentagon during Desert Storm. And if I ever had an insubordinate SOB like Mike New under my command I'd kick is ass from here to next Christmas and then I'd toss what was left of it into the brig.

You, sir, sound like an arrogant, condecending SOB. Try chilling out with your Billy Bad Ass remarks and folks might actually want to understand your point of view.