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Historian: Civil War tales are pure bunk
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | SUNDAY, JULY 5, 1998 | Mark Pino

Posted on 07/02/2002 3:37:44 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa

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To: azhenfud
How recently was that again? LOL. After hearing the other one with her mother, I finally saw it yesterday. One line something to the effect of 'My mother lives here with me in NC' like she's been living here all her life, goes on to push a drug prescription plan. The only thing she has left to cover really is guns. Wonder if we'll see her holding a gun next?
301 posted on 07/07/2002 7:44:59 AM PDT by billbears
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To: billbears
"How recently was that again?"

Well I guess, comparatively speaking, "recent" to her may just be "in the last four decades".

Afterall, her face does look like it wore out two bodies.

I saw the one with her mother, and I'm not sure how she got her mom to be complicit to lying, but I guess in politics, anyone is fodder for the public grinder....

Az
302 posted on 07/07/2002 11:34:55 AM PDT by azhenfud
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To: Non-Sequitur
NOPE! punitive expeditions are well within the confines of the LoW. tradition says that the "monitoring power" is to be notified AFTER the end of the war as to the disposition (this likely means the location of the criminals remains)made of any criminals killed during such operations.

in the 19th century the "monitoring power" was the Papal States OR any neutral power;today the "monitoring power" is the Swiss Republic and/or the UN.

for dixie,sw

303 posted on 07/08/2002 8:09:51 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: stand watie
So all you need to do to justify killing innocent civilians is call it a 'punitive expedition'? Well then heck if that's all it takes then why are you complaining about Sherman's punitive expeditions through Georgia or South Carolina? Or Sheridan's punitive expedition through the Shenandoah Valley? Their actions were not the deliberate murder that Quantrill and Anderson and their mob practiced.
304 posted on 07/08/2002 9:11:06 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
WHAT innocent civilians?

EVERY single person on the "kill lists" was either an enrolled member of the 5th KS Volunteers, a "jayhawker" or a member of the "Free State Militia"; ALL were WAR CRIMINALS;ALL had committed crimes against civilians in MO.

face it N-S, you are trying to defend a bunch of SCUM & WAR CRIMINALS, who were no better than the WORST of Hitler's crowd.

the ONLY thing i regret about the cavalry raid on Lawrence was that COL Quantrell's forces didn't kill Doc Jennison (who was in MO that day raiding civilian farms) & COL Lane (who disguised himself as a woman to escape his JUST reward).

for dixie,sw

305 posted on 07/08/2002 10:03:44 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: stand watie
ALL were WAR CRIMINALS

Including the women and children?

306 posted on 07/08/2002 10:08:35 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
NOT even ONE woman OR child was killed OR physically harmed. NOT even ONE.

the most anti-southron, hatefilled, revisionists AGREE to that.

for dixie,sw

307 posted on 07/08/2002 10:21:08 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: stand watie
Fewer than 20% of the victims had any connection to any military or militia outfit. Quantrill killed them for the sake of killing them. He killed them, sacked their houses and stores, robbed the banks, and burned everything in sight. The only scum there that day was Quantrill and his men and you are defending them, not I.
308 posted on 07/08/2002 12:12:39 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: WhiskeyPapa
By "two decades" after the D of I, Washington had been president for 4 years already.

Washington (a Virginian-American), was inaugurated on April 30, 1789, so he had been President for 1796 minus 1789 = 7 years, (not just 4) in 1796, which is two decades after the DoI was signed.

If you're going to get technical, and throw up a smoke screen to distract from my point, get technical, but at least be accurate.

I say again, Fly Your State Flag, on Independence Day. Celebrate what the DoI stands for - STATE INDEPENDENCE. Legitimate Unity came much later, in 1788 (except for Rhode Island, which existed as a free and independent State, without war being declared on it (!) for a couple more years). Illegitimate Unity came in 1865, after the Southern States were forced to surrender under military occupation, and began having their Constitutions re-written at the points of bayonets. We have an involuntary, non-consensual Union, that was founded during that occupation.

So fly your State Flag on Independence Day, and Celebrate "Consent of the Governed".

By the way, a voluntary Union, is a more Perfect Union, and I wish Lincoln could have lived to preserve the principles which the Union Party Radicals ripped from the Constitution during their time of absolute power. I'll never bow down and worship them for what they did, nor would Washington have.

"Consent of the Governed", makes Governments legitimate.

309 posted on 07/08/2002 2:58:45 PM PDT by H.Akston
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To: H.Akston
If you're going to get technical, and throw up a smoke screen to distract from my point, get technical, but at least be accurate.

Be accurate?

You're the one who indicated that there was no United States prior to 1796, and you're telling ME to be accurate?

Walt

310 posted on 07/08/2002 6:21:17 PM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
You're the one who indicated that there was no United States prior to 1796, and you're telling ME to be accurate?

Roughly, Walt. Roughly. The US really didn't get under way till roughly two decades after the DoI was signed. It was more than one decade, and I rounded up. Sue Me.

but

Fly your state flag on Independence day. That's what it's all about - State Independence.

And

Don't Forget

A Voluntary Union (with Consent of the Governed) Is a More Perfect Union.

311 posted on 07/08/2002 7:33:27 PM PDT by H.Akston
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To: H.Akston
Roughly, Walt. Roughly. The US really didn't get under way till roughly two decades after the DoI was signed. It was more than one decade, and I rounded up. Sue Me.

You're too dumb to even know when to let it drop.

The ARTICLES of CONFEDERATION and PERPETUAL UNION Between The States Of New Hampshire, Massachusetts-bay Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia.

ARTICLE I

The Stile of this Confederacy shall be "The United States of America".

The Articles were adopted in 1781, five years after the D of I was signed, not twenty years.

312 posted on 07/08/2002 8:14:05 PM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
So you want to return to a Confederacy, Walt?

"You're too dumb to even know when to let it drop."- Walt

What have you gotten yourself into now, Walt? You're desperately thrashing and spewing meaningless insults to go along with your irrelevant quotes.

Declaration of Independence:

"...as FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES, they have full power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which INDEPENDENT STATES may of right do..."

Fly your State Flag on Independence Day, and celebrate the days when there was "consent of the Governed", and State Independence in the "United States", which was referred to in the Declaration of Independence as such, - well before even the Articles of Confederation, Walt, - but the meaning of which absolutely escapes you.

A voluntary Union is a More Perfect Union.

313 posted on 07/09/2002 4:26:39 AM PDT by H.Akston
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To: Non-Sequitur
don't you truly WISH what you posted was the TRUTH. facts are facts.

i'd be curious as to the source of this nonsense you keep posting. even the most radical of the damnyankee apologists and revisionists state that the redlegs,jayhawkers & KS militia members were ALL military members (though they deny the same servicemember status to the CSA partisan rangers!).

even the pro-yankee book, THE DEVIL KNOWS HOW TO RIDE, does NOT dispute that the members of "the kill lists" & COL Quantrell's cavalry were ALL miltary servicemembers of their respective units. face it, N-S, you are AGAIN completely wrong!

for dixie,sw

314 posted on 07/09/2002 8:14:37 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: stand watie
Sorry, but Leslie's book also states that the overwhelming majority of those that Quantrill murdered - 80% or more - had nothing to do with the army or the militias. Face it, Quantrill came in and shot everything in sight.

Leslie also points out that Quantrill was born in Ohio. I'm surprised you would quote a book with as big a 'mistake' as that. Still, if he is right about the birth place then he might also be right about the Lawrence massacre. Which would make you wrong...again.

315 posted on 07/09/2002 8:25:58 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
SORRY, i believe anything/everything leslie wrote is SUSPECT, including the possibility that he can't spell COL Quantrell's name correctly. leslie is/was a propagandist, rather than a scholar.

i personally know of NO pro-union SCHOLAR and/or HISTORIAN that would dispute that members of the redlegs,jawhawkers & KS militia were all SERVICEMEMBERS, even while many of them state that our partisan rangers were "outlaws,desperdoes and soul-less killers" (as my mother says, "it just depends on which side you are on"), to whom they would deny the same protected status as military members. not even ONE!

for TRUTH & dixie LIBERTY,sw

316 posted on 07/09/2002 9:14:01 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: varina davis
NO ma'am, just WAR CRIMINALS who deserved to HANG!

for dixie, your obediant servant,sw

317 posted on 07/14/2002 12:18:05 PM PDT by stand watie
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To: Twodees
thought you might like to know: several years ago the chief archivist of the US Archives told me that at one time in the early 20th century you could take your service records home with you and not return same!

thankfully that was STOPPED!

free dixie,sw

318 posted on 07/17/2002 10:33:02 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: stand watie
That's a bad sort of thing to hear, especially for genealogists. That some service records were missing at the time the microfilm project was begun is sure to make family histories incomplete or inaccurate.

319 posted on 07/17/2002 12:41:05 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: Twodees
certainly is. also, MANY records and other RARE documents were stolen, lost or destroyed over the years. i used to know a man (now deceased),who got caught stealing some of Lewis & Clark exploration documents at the archives-thankfully, the documents were recovered and he got 2 years in federal prison for his crime.

for dixie,sw

320 posted on 07/18/2002 8:14:39 AM PDT by stand watie
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