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1 posted on 07/01/2002 3:58:15 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
How did the cops get into the cockpit???

When worlds collide....

2 posted on 07/01/2002 3:59:00 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz; Cagey; SeeRushToldU_So
So are they charged with FUI?
5 posted on 07/01/2002 4:02:35 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: Lazamataz
The only time I ever seriously feared for my life on an airliner was when an America West pilot nearly scraped a wing on the ground landing in Las Vegas. Never flew that airline again.
7 posted on 07/01/2002 4:02:52 PM PDT by eno_
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Was the plane weaving?
8 posted on 07/01/2002 4:03:18 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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I can visualize the scene: "Ha ha ha - that's a good one, Bill. I've got one for you - what do a woman and (hic!) an airliner have in common?"
11 posted on 07/01/2002 4:09:07 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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I guarantee this won't get half the press that the "Bush Girls Caught Drinking Beer" (imagine that!) did.
14 posted on 07/01/2002 4:12:59 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Still employed?
20 posted on 07/01/2002 4:35:42 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Lazamataz
I think the headline in this story is misleading. It should read "Two American West Pilots Charged With Drinking Before Flight."

The breathalyzers for both of these pilots was .08 according to news reports I have read today. That is not drunk.

Still, the pilots broke one of strictest rules in aviation - the "24 hour" rule. Even if they were caught having just one beer 12 hours before the flight, it is enough to cost them their jobs. All pilots have this drummed into their heads - that there is a zero tolerance policy for drinking alcohol 24 hours before your flight. It may be a dumb rule but nevertheless, that is no excuse for breaking it. Pilots are very highly compensated and they get plenty of "down time" between duty cycles to hit the bars all they want. So it looks like they made their own beds here. They will probably never work in the business again. Time to polish up that resume and get a new career.

Pilots are glorified truck drivers anyway. It is so easy to pilot a plane that even 13-year-olds can master it. Any stewardess can learn to be a good pilot. But many pilots can never be a stewardess - they just don't have the patience to put up with all the crap that a stewardess has to put up with.

21 posted on 07/01/2002 4:42:02 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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I think I just asked for it with that last post of mine. Flame retardant suit is on and the heat shields have been deployed...
22 posted on 07/01/2002 4:44:31 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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Let's face it, alcohol and pilots go hand in hand like trashy women and Bill Clinton. My uncle used to do interventions for a major airline. He'd say to fellow pilots, "it's either flying planes or drinking, you choose." A lot of times, the pilots chose drinking over their careers. Sad. And scary.
25 posted on 07/01/2002 5:05:44 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl
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My father was a navigator in the USAF (MAC, flew in C-141's etc. in the 50's and 60's) and he has a bunch of stories that'll scare you. He said that they would put on their masks and breathe the oxygen for a few minutes to clear their heads before flying.

He hasn't flown since leaving the military in the early 70's.

29 posted on 07/01/2002 5:32:27 PM PDT by mikegi
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Good.

Drunk Driving at 30,000 feet with a few hundred people in the trunk had better be crime worthy of severe punishment.

31 posted on 07/01/2002 5:37:05 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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Police: Pilots Were Legally Drunk

By ALEX VEIGA
.c The Associated Press

MIAMI (AP) - Two America West pilots at the helm of a Phoenix-bound jetliner were ordered to return to the airport terminal moments before takeoff Monday and were arrested for being legally drunk, police said.

The pilots were charged with a felony count of operating an aircraft under the influence and operating a motor vehicle under the influence, police said.

Both have been suspended with pay pending an investigation by the airline, said Patty Nowack, an America West spokeswoman.

Miami-Dade police Detective Juan DelCastillo said security screeners at Miami International Airport first noticed a whiff of alcohol on the men when the pilots tried to bring cups of coffee through the checkpoint.

The screeners alerted police, but by the time officers arrived, the plane had already left the gate. The airport tower ordered the plane back to the terminal and the pilots were given a cursory sobriety test, DelCastillo said.

The men were then asked to take a breath test and agreed. Both registered blood-alcohol levels above .08, Florida's legal limit for operating machinery, DelCastillo said.

Pilot Thomas Cloyd, 44, had a .091 blood-alcohol level, while Christopher Hughes registered .084, police said.

The pilots couldn't be reached for comment Monday; they were being held by police pending processing. It wasn't immediately clear if they had obtained attorneys.

Cloyd has worked for America West since 1990. Hughes joined the airline in January 1999, Nowack said. Both pilots have good working records, she said.

It was the pilots' first flight of the day, she said.

The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating.

07/01/02 19:26 EDT

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For me ..this would be less than 2 beers....maybe one.........

33 posted on 07/01/2002 6:03:47 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Lazamataz
So what was the first Clue. Failure to signal making that left turn on the taxi-way, or the seat-belt hanging out of the door?! :-]
37 posted on 07/01/2002 6:35:45 PM PDT by PsyOp
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Oh dear. And you people want to give them guns? Oh, the humanity!

Chuckie Schumer better get on this one quick.
38 posted on 07/01/2002 6:35:53 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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An America West spokeswoman at the company's headquarters, in Phoenix, was not immediately available for comment...

....but is expected to sober up enough to walk and talk within an hour.

51 posted on 07/01/2002 7:52:53 PM PDT by PoisedWoman
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Catch the pilot who had a beer last night or the terrorist?
Yea, go for the pilot, he's easy.
59 posted on 07/01/2002 9:19:42 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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I would rather fly with a pilot who has had a beer or two...since when the going gets tough they are more likely to disregard protocal to save my ass and theirs if necessary than some teetotaler who never violates a rule.

61 posted on 07/01/2002 9:32:21 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: Lazamataz
LOL!!!....This is really a funny thread.
74 posted on 07/02/2002 3:32:57 AM PDT by The Raven
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Bombed on board the aircraft - FNC
82 posted on 07/02/2002 5:45:13 AM PDT by NautiNurse
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