I wonder if he was shooting reloads.
To: *bang_list
Bang
To: Beelzebubba
Most likely an overload.
One gun range I went to had about 5 handguns hanging on the wall with the cylinders blown apart from hot handloads.
Could have also been smokeless in a 'black powder only' gun.
To: Beelzebubba
a ''wonderful antique'' with iron tresses. Trusses or trestles?
4 posted on
07/01/2002 10:10:19 AM PDT by
Restorer
To: Beelzebubba
Or an old "curio/relic" rifle with a dubious pedigree.
5 posted on
07/01/2002 10:10:38 AM PDT by
El Sordo
To: Beelzebubba
I wonder if he was shooting reloads.My first thought, too. Makes you wonder if he was pushing the max load listed. Too many folks don't have the proper respect for pressures.
The only thing I use other folks' reloads for is to recover the brass.
To: Beelzebubba
There was an explosion in the barrel of the rifle that Glenn deRuiter, 54, of 268 W. Portal Road, Bethlehem Township, Hunterdon County, was firing, Grim said. Could have been a underpressure (squib) load that lodged a bullet in the barrel.
The explosion occurs on the next round. Chances are good he was playing with reloads.
But, there is nothing wrong with reloads per se. They are an integral part of our gun culture. Like everything else with guns, reloads require clear thinking, attention to detail and safety above all else.
8 posted on
07/01/2002 10:22:34 AM PDT by
TC Rider
To: Beelzebubba
Huh... I guess guns actually do kill people...
To: Beelzebubba
I have had 2 guns explode on me. One, was a 20 guage & .222 over/under. The 20 guage blew up like in the cartoons at the end of the barrel.
The other was a 6 shot semi-automatic 12 guage. on the 3rd or 4th round (attempting to rapidly fire all 6) the cap on the end of the ammo tube (or whatever it is actually called) came off and the whole thing just went to pieces.
Luckily I was not injured in anyway from either instance.
To: Beelzebubba
Lehigh County Coroner Scott GrimYou made that name up!
24 posted on
07/02/2002 7:39:10 AM PDT by
Redbob
To: Beelzebubba
I wonder if he was shooting reloads. I think the circa 1890 Lee straight-pull rifle, whether as issued to US Navy and Marine troops in the XIX Century during the *Boxer Rebellion* or a sporter version of similar vintage is a mich more likely suspect than the ammunition, though I can't yet say whether Glenn was using commercial or hand-crafted ammunition in the original 6mm military chambering. I can tell you that if Glenn had loaded it himself, it was done with professional attention to detail and meticulous craftsmanship, as his capabilities were far beyond those of the average kitchen-table reloader [nothing against those who craft such reloads in restricted-space apartments or trailers, I've done it myself. But Glenn had MUCH better facilities available.]
We must say a painful goodbye to our dear friend, GLENN deRUITER |
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Glenn was involved in a tragic accident this past Saturday, the 29th. He was taken to St. Luke's Hospital in Bethlehem, PA, but was not able to recover. He was 54. Glenn was a devoted employee of Sarco for 28 years, and specialized in military firearms. He had a tremendous love for guns and was passionate about his work. He was among the most well respected and knowledgeable people in the industry. He was a member of the Forks of the Delaware Weapon Association, the New Jersey Arms Collectors Club, a life-time member of the National Rifle Association, and a committee member of Boy Scout Troop 191, Bethlehem. Glenn was a good friend and was very much loved by everyone. He had frequent visitors here at Sarco who looked forward to intelligent conversations with the gun connoisseur. Our thoughts and prayers go out to Glenn's family and friends. |
He will be painfully missed. |
There will be a funeral service on Wednesday, July 3rd, 2002 at 10 a.m. at MARTIN FUNERAL HOME 1761 Route 31, Clinton, NJ (908) 735-7180 Visitation will be Tuesday, July 2nd from 2-4 and 7-9 pm at Martin Funeral Home. Directions for Martin Funeral Home In lieu of flowers, donations in memory of Glenn deRuiter may be made to Boy Scout Troop 191, c/o Scoutmaster Joe Smith, 201 Asbury-West Portal Rd., Asbury, NJ. 08802 |
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30 posted on
07/03/2002 9:47:50 AM PDT by
archy
To: Beelzebubba
Grim, who ruled the death an accident, said the malfunction happened in the rifle's receiver ring.
Hot handloads or an obstruction (like mud maybe) in the muzzle?
Two sure fire ways to change your weapon from a rifle into a hand grenade.
34 posted on
07/03/2002 3:47:13 PM PDT by
Jhoffa_
Lehigh County Coroner Scott Grim.
alrighty..
35 posted on
07/03/2002 3:50:02 PM PDT by
Jhoffa_
To: Beelzebubba
Here is better info on what he was shooting that I pulled from a shooter's bulletin board.
He was shooting at Easton Fish and Game Association in Easton, PA when his 1895 Lee Navy 6mm straight pull catastrophically failed.
Interesting that the newspaper didn't include that the gun was over 100 years old.
46 posted on
07/04/2002 6:55:48 AM PDT by
Tailback
To: Beelzebubba
I got a report on this mishap via one of the firearms mailing lists I receive:
I'm cross-posting this to all the email lists that have mentioned this
incident (that I'[m subbed to). Some have had accurate pieces of info,
some have not. Since I was there, I want to let everyone know what
happened, as I saw it. There are some lessons in this and in the hope that
Glenn's death not be in vain, I will present them so others will not make
the same mistakes that Glenn fatally made.
I was at the Easton Fish & Game on Saturday, taking a Defensive Shooting
class. During a break in our class, someone came down from the 100yd range
and said, "Does anyone have a cellphone? Someone call 911. A guy shot
himself. I think he's dead." I looked down and saw a cellphone on the
table. I dialed 911 and handed the phone to someone standing next to me
and took off around the corner to see what happened.
I was one of the first to arrive at the scene. Glenn was lying on his
back, bleeding from a single wound to the center of his forehead. A quick
survey of the scene showed his rifle in two pieces, looking like it
separated at the receiver ring. I knelt down to Glenn and check for a
pulse. I easily found the pulse in the carotid. A couple quick shouts to
see if he were conscious were futile and he wasn't breathing so I pulled
the jaw down and pushed the tongue down to open the airway. He took in a
deep raspy breath. I then moved to the forehead. I gingerly felt the open
wound for protruding metal. Finding none, I began to apply pressure to the
wound. About this time, Pete showed up and immediately began to
assist. For the next 12 minutes, Pete maintained his airway and I kept
pressure on his forehead to stop the bleeding. He was unconscious the
entire time, most likely from the initial explosion. Pupils were dilated
and fixed for the entire period as well. When Pete & I handed him off to
EMS, Glenn was still breathing on his own and had a good heartbeat.
After EMS took Glenn away, I began to examine the scene. Mixed in with
the blood was brain fluid. This meant the skull was breached. Since there
was no exit wound, this meant that either there was piece of metal inside
the brain area or he had been dealt a glancing, ricochet type blow that had
cracked the front of the skull. It looked like he lost about 1.5 to 2
pints of mixed fluids.
I looked at the pieces of the rifle. The barrel metal was completely
intact, with the expended cartridge still in the chamber (more on that
later), and the wood was badly splintered. It didn't take long to see that
the receiver had failed. The upper half of the receiver ring was missing
as were tops of the rails for about 1-2". Upon closer examination, the
metal showed an obvious crystalline fracture, with the outer edge areas of
the ring and maybe 1/2" back showing stretching/tearing, rather than
crystalline breakage. The missing metal was nowhere to be found, although
some wood splinters were recovered. The bolt would not return to
battery. I couldn't tell if the bolt had been completely in battery when
the round was fired but I am unfamiliar with the Lee so I don't know if it
is possible to fire a round when the bolt is out of battery.
I then turned my attention to the barrel. The brass was stuck in the
chamber. There was a hole in the brass, in the extractor area. The primer
was missing, the base of the cartridge was blackened and slightly bowed out
into a convex shape. Surrounding the hole in the brass was obvious flow
into the unsupported area of the extractor. The semi-rimmed brass was now
obviously rimmed. Obvious, major headspace problem. Obvious, major
overpressure situation.
Looking through the barrel, I saw that it was plugged. Obtaining a rod, I
slid in down the muzzle until it stopped. Marking the length with my
thumb, the obstruction was at or near the end of the chamber. A shake of
the barrel was silent. Driving the rod into the barrel to drive out the
brass took a few sharp strokes, the first couple feeling like something was
wedging in the barrel. After popping out the brass, I inspected the
barrel. It was free of bulges and the barrel actually looked quite nice -
dark but with strong rifling. The chamber was in good shape as well, with
no obvious deformities. Examining the brass, I immediately noticed that
the bullet had never left the barrel because I had driven it back into the
powder area of the brass when driving it out and that it was what I had
felt for the first couple blows. I did not notice any rifling marks on the
bullet but could not see it that clearly inside the brass.
I next turned to the shooting table, where Glenn had his box of
ammunition. Glenn was apparently testing handloads because he had a few
pieces of paper with different loads written on it. I recall them being
30gr or so of IMR powders but don't remember the numbers (I'm not a big
reloader) with 100gr and 150gr bullets (Hornady and Speer). I do recall
that one of the loads was 11gr Unique. Looking at the ammo in the box, I
realized that the fatal shot was his second as there was only one
previously expended round. Picking it up, it was obviously deformed as
previously described: obvious brass flow into the extractor area, blackened
& rimmed base, missing primer, except no hole in the brass. Looking at
this first round, I have to wonder how hard it was to extract. It looked
like a hammer-beater to me.
And that's as far as I got before the police started to impound everything.
It wasn't until later that I found out that when Glenn was taken to the
hospital, x-rays revealed that a piece of metal 40mm on its long side had
penetrated the brain, ending its straight though travel at the rear of the
skull; destroying his sinus cavity in the process.
Lessons:
It doesn't matter how much experience you have, if the brass is obviously
deformed, stop shooting.
If something looks wrong, it's most likely because it is. Resist the
temptation to take "just one more shot". Figure out what's wrong FIRST.
Always have a first-aid kit with you.
Always have latex gloves with you.
When you go shooting, make sure that EMS knows how to get to you, wherever
you are.
A cellphone is no longer a luxury. If it works, it can shave valuable
minutes off the emergency response time.
Glenn didn't need to die. From what I've read about him over the past
couple days, I wish I would have met him in better circumstances, he
sounded like a helluva guy. He was smart enough to notice that there was a
problem. He either wasn't paying attention and missed it or he choose to
ignore it; and continued shooting. Learn from his mistake.
No fancy closing words here, just a reminder that this is a dangerous sport
and to be careful out there.
To: Beelzebubba
Reports such as this make me appreciate the policy of the indoor range of which I am a member. Firearms and cases are examined by range personnel and members may not bring ammunition onto the premises......
53 posted on
07/10/2002 11:54:42 AM PDT by
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