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To: anniegetyourgun
AGYG <----shaking head....it doesn't look good for our society when we leave young men with such advice.....

It is a sad outlook on life, but I resectfully submit that it is also the reality of today. Sure, it's a crummy way to view things. But this view wouldn't be so prevelant if the laws and society didn't encourage the destruction of the family and the demonization of men simply because they have a "Y" chromasome and money that they can be fleeced out of.

It is a fact that more than half of all marriages today end in divorce. It's a fact that more than 2/3 of the time, women are the ones filing. It's a fact that if they have children, she will get custody of his children, be forced from his home, lose most of what he has worked for and a large portion of what he will earn for many years. Perhaps you have been fortunate enough to not see this happen to many people around you. I know many people who have been happily married for 20, 30, 40, even 50 years. Those people come from a time where divorce was nearly unthinkable, where when you had problems in the marriage, you worked them out. Unfortunately, the generations that proceeded them live in a much different world. It's a world where a the laws and courts have been stacked in such a way that there is a financial incentive for one person, usually the woman, to have the other person in the marriage, usually the man, forcefully removed from his family. I can't tell you haw many times I have seen this happen because I've litterally lost count.

These men may pass on advice like the author of the article does to his friends and possibly even his sons not out of spite or malace. When he sees how efficiently his life has been dismantled and how he HAD to take it, most men pass on this advice because they don't want to see others, especially his children, put through the wringer for the financial gain of a multi-billion dollar industry that profits from destroying lives.

17 posted on 07/01/2002 8:29:10 AM PDT by Orangedog
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To: Orangedog
There is too much profit in divorce.

Changes that need to be made:

1. Visitation must be fanatically enforced the same way
failure to pay dollars is made.

2. The defacto trade in value of the divoce must somehow be addressed. If you divorce it is not the responsibility of the other party to ensure your standard of living. (consequence of feminist attitutes, View the divorce as a financial bankruptcy of the relationship.)

3. Community property must be eliminated.

4. Infidelity must be a consideration of divorce proceedings. Do not eliminate no fault, just consider the infidelity and its cause in that particular relationship. I remember reading a case where witholding martital relations was intentional cruelty. (she was pushing for him to have an affair to better her position) Choices by both parties should have consequences.

5. Restrict judges and custodial spouses ablity to limit contact children have with the non custodial parent. In other words require written consent and a written plan of how visitation will be conducted if the move is approved.

6. The BIGGIE reward marriage. Eliminate absurd tax penalty for marriage. Reward married people with and without children. Reward marriage for milestones, ie, every 5 or 10 years means some form of lower tax benefit. Institute a surtax on single mothers who avail themselves of a spermbank. (Intentional single parent tax to be collected by the spermbank prior to insemination, they tax cigarets for "burdens" on society.)


18 posted on 07/01/2002 9:24:46 AM PDT by Greeklawyer
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To: Orangedog
My parents are divorced, have been since 1976. My husband's parents also had a rocky marriage, (REALLY ROCKY)but they're still together.

We've been crazy about each other since we met thirty years ago in 1972 at ages 15 and 17. Part of that is because we were determined to make it -- just to prove all the naysayers wrong. My heart still skips a beat when he comes through the door at night, mud and sweat and all.

Another reason we're still together is because he is a genuinely kind and good person, and we try to consider each other's opinions and feelings on given issues, and we forgive each other. We had a slight argument about 2 weeks ago, and couldn't stand being upset with each other so we both apologized and both tried to take the blame.

I agree with you that society -- feminism -- have demonized men. These same feminists will insist that there is no difference between the sexes. If men are so terrible, wouldn't you think they would claim that there is a difference? (Viva la difference!)

I think men are wonderful, especially mine, and I tell him so all the time.

44 posted on 07/01/2002 3:47:51 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
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