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Businessmen hit out at US move to target Saudis
Arab News ^ | 7-1-02 | Dhafir Al-Julfan

Posted on 07/01/2002 6:05:07 AM PDT by SJackson

RIYADH, 1 July — Saudi businessmen and traders have expressed their anguish and shock over the new measures proposed by the US Justice Department targeting Saudis and warned that they would harm Saudi-American relations.

They were commenting on a new immigration law announced by the US Justice Department which requires of foreign visitors to register their names with the government if they intended to stay 30 days or more.

The new law also allows US authorities to take fingerprints of foreigners, who do not possess permanent resident permits, soon after their arrival in the country.

Abdullah Zainal Alireza, chairman of the Saudi Committee for Promoting International Trade at the Council of Saudi Chambers of Commerce and Industry, disclosed that business delegations would be sent to the US to explain Saudi Arabia’s viewpoints on Washington’s new move.

Alireza told Arab News that the proposed measures had sent shockwaves among Saudi businessmen and traders despite the clarification given by the US attorney general that the steps would be implemented only on countries that supported terrorism.

Alireza objected to taking selective measures against Saudis visiting the United States. “This will only increase the isolation between peoples of the two countries and harm the interests of the two sides.

“It is the right of the United States to protect the security of the country and its citizens by taking the necessary steps... But the proposed measures will harm Saudi visitors to the US and we would like to know the opinion of US businessmen on this measure,” he added.

Dr. Abdullah Al-Bunyan, executive director of the Saudi-American Business Council, highlighted the danger posed by the measures to business relations between the two countries.

However, he pointed out that it was better not to make any speculation before the US government took a decision on implementing the measures.

“It’s the right of every country to take necessary measures to protect its interests and the security of its citizens. But it is not acceptable to target Saudi Arabia by adopting such measures,” he added.

He deplored the anti-Saudi media campaign by certain quarters in the US and said the business council was concerned about the issue.

Dr. Farhat Farhat, an expert on World Trade Organization, said the new measures were likely to affect Saudi businessmen.

“US businessmen know the importance of the Saudi market for their exports and I am sure they will say their word if the bill was passed for execution.”

Dr. Abdul Aziz Daghestani, director general of the Economic Studies House in Riyadh, said the new steps would amount to the US government joining hands with its media in targeting Saudi citizens through selective measures.

“This is not at all acceptable and Saudi Arabia should retaliate by taking similar measures,” he added.


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This from a country with an entry policy far more restrictive than bastions of freedom like China or Vietnam, that forbids tourist entry (other than on an "approved" tour) or visitation without an "approved" sponsor.

Protecting their "culture" I guess.

1 posted on 07/01/2002 6:05:07 AM PDT by SJackson
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But the proposed measures will harm Saudi visitors to the US...how? This is total nonsense and suggests consciousness of guilt.
2 posted on 07/01/2002 6:27:54 AM PDT by RWG
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To: SJackson
But the proposed measures will harm Saudi visitors to the US

Do us a favor and STAY HOME!!!!

3 posted on 07/01/2002 6:31:32 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: SJackson; Alouette
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4 posted on 07/01/2002 6:51:18 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: SJackson
Here's my opinion.

The Saudis supported Osama bin Laden.

The Saudis are afraid that the communist-supported fascist-Islamic revolution which over-threw the Shah of Iran, has grown enough in Arabia to over-throw the House of Saud.

The Saudis figured to appease Saddam Hussein, whenafter the last throw of cruise missiles by Bill Clinton's attempt to diffuse the concentration of the American public upon his Impeachment Trial in the U.S. Senate ... Saddam appeared, at the minimum, to win ... and so the Saudis upped the price of oil as tribute to Saddam.

In a similar vein, the Saudis are attempting to appease the fascists among their neighbors, among their subjects, and among themselves --- by attacking western culture and the United States of America.

The Saudis believe in using terrorism as an economic means; they will support terrorism, which is actually a sub-class of piracy, wherever it will effectively obstruct the competition.

The Saudis are undeniably members of the Axis of Terrorism against which the United States is at war.

Save the people of Saudi Arabia who would rather fight for their peace and liberty, and a judicial system which is not a direct, as well as absolute, branch of Islam ...

Saudi Arabia is a relatively benign dictatorship, for now, having arrived their by not facing down the fascism within that has been coiling up to strike the whole of it.

At the same time, the fascists, there are, are loose upon the planet and wish not to be challenged on their missions of forcing subjigation.

Frustrated at losing control over their kingdom, the Saudis are taking it out on everybody else.

Too many among them wish to posture before the world well enough to cover their designs to gain the very weapons of mass destruction which we are all supposed to abhor in the hands of Saddam.

In the hands of the Saudis, we are going to be suffering the lot of think tanks in the Beltway who have suddenly been the beneficiaries of Saudi largesse --- and they will say that we can trust the Saudis.

The problem is not really that Saddam Hussein might develop nuclear weapons; the problem is that the Saudis have come close enough to buying them outright.

Israel is fast becoming the young child lashed to the front of a North Korean battle tank.

Failure of the United States to directly affect military power upon the enemies among the mid-Easteners who have attacked us, has left such peoples feeling quite heady about their purposes.

Nuclear weapons are no safer in the hands of the Saudis, than they are in the hands of the Saddamis.

The Beltway theorists who fancy that open trade with "the people" will elevate them to sufficient economic well-being that they will in turn affect truth, justice, and the way of democratic-republics that is that truth and justice will be enforced by these same people instead of their former dictators ... is a nice theory; but it has yet to be proven to work when the dictators are still in charge, in Red China, and in Saudi Arabia, who are the two most prominent foreign powers mucking about in support of terrorism in order that their energy axis "wins."

The dependency of the people upon their rulers, in those two countries, can be relied upon to be queued at the necessary time, to affect the level of revolution against real justice and liberty and the self-determination of such people.

We had thought that the Saudis wished us no ill-will, but having seen the destruction, here, to the contrary, what might be the most outstanding differences between the dictatorship their and in Red China?

After a review of the totalinarism of both, there is but the Red Chinese veneer that they "come in peace" and the Saudi appearance to believe in God but certainly not a loving God.

If the Saudis were our friends, they could have themselves captured Osama bin Laden and most of his cohorts, very early on; nope, instead, the Saudis have found terrorism useful and are continuing to aid it; much as the Red Chinese are aiding the "Islamic" revolutionaries of the Southwest Pacific Rim.

Both the Saudis and the Red Chinese know that the weak gut of business, will trade as a first priority over all such considerations which would otherwise give pause.

5 posted on 07/01/2002 6:51:21 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: dennisw
I found this page very informative:

Pirate Kings of Saudi Arabia

6 posted on 07/01/2002 6:58:15 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: Alouette
Do us a favor and STAY HOME!!!!

They can't do that. There are no casinos at home.

7 posted on 07/01/2002 7:00:49 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Good comments. You might mention that employees give up their passport while working in for a Saudi. You might call that a restriction put on Americans that is a little more than registration.
8 posted on 07/01/2002 7:22:59 AM PDT by q_an_a
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To: SJackson
"...warned that they would harm Saudi-American relations. "

And, the events of 9/11 and Saudi support of terrorists do what? I am getting a little tired of these people.

9 posted on 07/01/2002 7:27:54 AM PDT by Don Myers
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So this will harm US-Saudi relations? I have a news flash for the house of Saud: relations are already harmed. There are only a couple of degrees of worse relations, that of outright banning Saudi visitors and then outright hostilities. Too bad if the little sheiks are offended.
10 posted on 07/01/2002 7:27:59 AM PDT by Sender
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To: RWG
"But the proposed measures will harm Saudi visitors to the US...how? "

I suspect that the Saudis don't want us to interfere with the terrorists they are sending here.

11 posted on 07/01/2002 7:29:34 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: SJackson
You're exactly right. The Saudis have perhaps the most repressive and restrictive society on the face of the earth. Everyone who visits their desert bastion of freedom and liberty MUST register and receive formal approval beforehand, INCLUDING businessmen. For business travelers, you must have a "sponsor" - a local Saudi business or organization - that gets formal approval from a local "chamber of commerce" (nothing but a government office) in order to get your visa. In other words, you can't even enter the country without extensive formal inviations and approval from the government. So, Saudi businessmen's complaints about a simple registration process upon entering the USA are laughably ironic. Also, we should remind them that we don't restrict their movements once here; not unlike businessmen in S.A. who must receive formal approval to travel from 1 city to another. Furthemore, we don't need to get into the deplorable situation of how foreign workers (most from brother Muslim countries) are treated in S.A. - essentially in a state of indentured servitude (these poor folks need to get formal approval from their masters....errrr, "sponsors" to even LEAVE the kingdom). Unless you've been there, it's hard to imagine just how feudal, repressive and restrictive S.A. really is. The royal family is a collection of thousands of distant cousins whose sole purpose is to aggrandize their power and wealth. This is not the Windsor model of royal family that we are familiar with, but rather more akin to the Gambino family. They control everything and own nearly everything and all of their actions appear to revolve around maintaining this incredible hold on power and money. Thus, it's not surprising to see the development of governmental policies designed to support the Family, particularly when it comes to venting/deflecting public dissatisfaction,frustration or anger. Palestine, Wahabbism, fanatical Islam, support of external terror, etc... anything to keep the natives' wrath from the Family. This is truly a dangerous situation for us and the sooner we realize that S.A. is no "friend" or "ally", the better our chances for long-term survival.
12 posted on 07/01/2002 7:34:33 AM PDT by newvista
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Saudi businessmen and traders have expressed their anguish and shock over the new measures proposed by the US Justice Department targeting Saudis and warned that they would harm Saudi-American relations.

How 'bout nuking Mecca, think maybe that would warm up US-Sowdee relations a little bit?

13 posted on 07/01/2002 7:34:38 AM PDT by putupon
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Alireza objected to taking selective measures against Saudis visiting the United States.... and we would like to know the opinion of US businessmen on this measure,” he added.

This businessman thinks it is a great idea. Thanks, Alireza, for your concern about my feelings.

14 posted on 07/01/2002 10:22:49 AM PDT by TheEngineer
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To: SJackson
This is definitely a Saudi Whiner Alert!!!

The Saudis can't figure out why they can't have everything both ways. Their Muslim "religion" requires them to look at everything is a schizophrenic manner and have a mentality of denial and fantasy.

15 posted on 07/01/2002 10:51:54 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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We should tell them if they don't like these restrictions, we can just go ahead and adopt the same restrictions they have for "visitors" and servicemen in their country.
16 posted on 07/01/2002 11:37:10 AM PDT by PsyOp
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To: SJackson
See: Islam - Study Warns of Stagnation in Arab Societies, New York Times, July 2, 2002, by Barbara Crossette (posted by swarthyguy).
17 posted on 07/01/2002 8:24:55 PM PDT by First_Salute
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See: The Saudi Pipeline Petro-Dollars, Palestinian Terror -- And A U.S. Blind Eye, National Review, July 15, 2002, by Joel Mowbray (posted by habaes corpussel).</P
18 posted on 07/04/2002 10:41:50 AM PDT by First_Salute
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I tend to believe that if OBL is still alive, he is in SA, recuperating in a hospital with American trained physicians. SA is the safest place for him- foreigners cant get in, his family and money is there, and SA flies under a "friendly" flag. If we DO find him there, it had better mean the end of SA as we know it....
19 posted on 07/04/2002 12:11:09 PM PDT by ArmoredCav
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To: SJackson
See: Many Saudis among 293 arrested [Pak], Frontier Post, July 4, 2002, by Shujaat Ali Khan (posted by Ranger).

See: Are too many Muslims in denial about September 11?, The Telegraph (U.K.), by Barbara Amiel, Mar. 4, 2002 (posted by Pokey78).

See: A Ray of Arab Candor: A U. N. report by Middle-Eastern intellectuals blames Arab culture, City Journal, July 4, 2002, by Victor Davis Hanson (posted by aculeus).

20 posted on 07/04/2002 12:15:51 PM PDT by First_Salute
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