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California: Heating up: Evidence of global warming raises state, national concern
The Sacramento Bee ^ | Sunday, June 30, 2002 | Edie Lau -- Bee Science Writer

Posted on 06/30/2002 12:09:10 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:39:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Doug Osugi can't say exactly when he began believing in global warming. The realization that Earth's temperature truly is rising dawned gradually.

"It is not something that suddenly, the next day, you realize that it's true," said Osugi, a California water resources planner. "I think it's something that you're slowly being convinced that, yes, it's there, as more and more information comes out.


(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; drought; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; urbanheatislands
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To: Adrianne Hampton
The weather has been very mild where I live. So what's the problem?

I'm thinking the same way. I have lived in So. California for 42 years. There have been much hotter seasons than this one, and for longer periods of time.

This drought isn't even the worse one on record ('60-'61 was worse) and our skies seem cleaner than they used to be.

I think this is just nothing more than an opportunity for the alarmist science crowd to cease. Their research data is dubious to say the least.

21 posted on 06/30/2002 1:08:35 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: nralife
The "Science" is laughable.
Hey Hank, don't you think there was a better snowpack back in '33?
That's what I thought too, got to be global warming.
It stated at the very start that the temps in rural CA have stayed quite consistent, while the city temp has soared almost three degrees.
Let's see, add three trillion cubic yards cement, cut down appropriate greenage for parking lots, add 200K people and accessories, it is not inconcievable the temp raised three degrees.
22 posted on 06/30/2002 1:09:50 PM PDT by dtel
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Extreme bovine fecal spewing by leftists alert!
23 posted on 06/30/2002 1:09:56 PM PDT by 11B3
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Even if the models are correct, proposed "remedies" like Kyoto are a scam.

Kyoto would reduce CO2 emissions to 7% below 1990 levels by 2112, some crap like that. Thing is, even with that reduction, CO2 continues to accumulate at a rate only slightly lower than it would have otherwise.

The net effect on temps 50-100 years out would be negligible.

Even if we stopped emissions completely today, if the models are correct, there will STILL be man-induced warming.

Refine the damn models, and if CO2 really is a problem, develop technology to scrub it out, if removal is in the end desirable. A Kyoto castrated economy is not optimum for developing such technology.

24 posted on 06/30/2002 1:19:52 PM PDT by Interious
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To: dtel
The "Science" is laughable.

Exactly! CO2 is only 370 millionths (370/1,000,000) of the atmosphere. That is a tiny tiny percentage, and to say that it is causing climate change one way or the other is a stretch of immense proportions...

25 posted on 06/30/2002 1:20:09 PM PDT by nralife
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To: nralife
You imply that atmospheric CO2 content has no impact on the temperate nature of Earth's average Climate.

I don't think that's true. More troubling is the failure of current climate models to take into account increased cloud cover induced cooling.

26 posted on 06/30/2002 1:28:02 PM PDT by Interious
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hmmmmmm.
They just don't give up, do they.
The controllers among us who must exploit even natural phenomena to control others.

One more time:
Can there be such a thing as global warming? Yes.
There is no disagreement between the informed and the losers.

Is it anthropogenic? Probably not.
If there is one constant in nature it's the certainty that there will be infinite variability, even in climate short term and particularly long term.

Does this entitle the neurotic to formulate public policy?
No.

I wonder what else happened today?

27 posted on 06/30/2002 1:33:18 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: Publius6961
Perfect synopsis of it all - now try to get others to see the truth.
28 posted on 06/30/2002 1:37:05 PM PDT by 11B3
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To: Publius6961
Well said Pub
29 posted on 06/30/2002 1:37:19 PM PDT by Interious
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To: Interious
develop technology to scrub it out, if removal is in the end desirable.

Grow tress, don't burn them ...down with the enviralists!!!

Hows that?

30 posted on 06/30/2002 1:49:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Jagdgewehr
ROFL!!!
31 posted on 06/30/2002 1:50:27 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Publius6961
Thanks for the excellent comments!

I wonder what else happened today?

I am watching a good show on C-SPAN on Russell Kirk,

It is very good, for those of us that are rather uninformed about the roots of Conservatisms!

32 posted on 06/30/2002 1:56:02 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hmm. This is the second article I've seen today (the other is here) that tries to sell the "Global Warming is real, we can tell, we just know" doctrine beginning at square one.

That's odd. Only a month ago, the Global Warming Priesthood assumed that the only unbelievers were a few infidel yokels in flyover country. Their sermons had moved on to the necessity of the Kyoto treaty. That global warming is real was considered sold and delivered.

It would seem that they are reeling from the effects of Bush's quick dismissal of "the bureacracy's" global warming report. That didn't seem to get him in a lot of hot water, suggesting that maybe there's a Crisis Of Faith in Global Warmingism. People just didn't seem to get very upset with Bush for denying Official Dogma. Maybe -- horrors -- it's not all that official after all.

I have to admire these people's persistence. Here they are only two weeks later, back to square one, selling the basic precepts of Global Warmingism... as if we'd never heard them before. It's like the old lady who used to live behind me, a Jehovah's Witness, who had stopped coming to my door after I told her I was raised Catholic. And then one day, there she was again. Won't I just read the Watchtower?

In addition to these two stories, today's Atlanta Journal and Constitution is offering "Meltdown in Montana; Scientists fear park's glaciers may disappear within 30 years," and the London Sunday Telegraph is telling the Brits that "Alaskans retreat inland as ice melts."

That's four coordinated articles in one day. I have to admire the PR Department that pulled this off. These guys are better organized than the Scientologists.


33 posted on 06/30/2002 2:21:31 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
You MUST include a
"B.S. ALERT"

with all Global Whoreming posts.
34 posted on 06/30/2002 2:46:37 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Well if the theory of evolution is correct, if mankind and animals are constantly evolving, then why should the environment not also evolve?

With all the uncontrolled forest fires, and volcanic activity worldwide, those events in themselves create more environmental impact than what man creates. And since this information is coming from Caliphony, then it is indeed credible!!!!!! (smirk, gag, cough)...... NOT!!

35 posted on 06/30/2002 2:47:24 PM PDT by o_zarkman44
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To: Nick Danger
That's four coordinated articles in one day. I have to admire the PR Department that pulled this off. These guys are better organized than the Scientologists.

Nick you got that right. It would seem that alot of us believe that there is a warming trend. After all, we just passed a peak in the solar cycle. Also we are not having an El Nino year in California resulting in generally less rainfall. Actually the weather is great and a little warmer is good for our health. So there is a warming trend. Now convince us that we did it, and that its too late to save this planet. Oh h*ll, how do I stop myself from running around in circles.

36 posted on 06/30/2002 2:49:58 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Have any of these idiots ever been to California?? I know for a fact that San Diego's temperatures are 7-10 points BELOW normal - that doesn't sound like warming to me.
37 posted on 06/30/2002 3:39:39 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; SierraWasp
Temperatures aside, there are other hints that California may be experiencing the effects of warming. State hydrologist Maurice Roos analyzed snowmelt flows in the Sacramento River system from 1906 through 2001. After accounting for variations from year to year, he determined that mountain runoff has decreased nearly 12 percent.

I like how they blame gobal warming for less run off as if those 290 extra trees per acre, sucking up the water, had nothing to do with it.

38 posted on 06/30/2002 3:56:41 PM PDT by farmfriend
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To: KC_for_Freedom; All
I don't doubt that some people are using global warming to their advantage, but I don't think many people here are qualified to comment on climate models and changes. Global warming is more an ideological issue to the right than a scientific one, and if we're wrong, we will be very, very, sorry.
39 posted on 06/30/2002 4:00:16 PM PDT by Dat
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To: farmfriend; Nick Danger; snopercod; SierraWasp
But, but, but... it's hot today. It's over 100°. It's hotter than it was yesterday too, and that was hotter than the day before...

Why, it's a LOT hotter than it was only six months ago!

Can't you see that?
40 posted on 06/30/2002 4:40:08 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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