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[Bishop] Adamec irked at loose lips in diocese [,planning to punish good straight priest]
THE TRIBUNE-DEMOCRAT ^ | June 30, 2002 | SUSAN EVANS

Posted on 06/30/2002 10:49:00 AM PDT by Polycarp

Angered by information leaks, Bishop Joseph Adamec abruptly canceled planned transfers of priests this week, The Tribune-Democrat has learned.

The cancellation affects a Centre County priest who has publicly disagreed with the bishop’s stance on homosexuality in the priesthood, and whose brother is a conservative Catholic activist and harsh critic of the bishop.

Both brothers declined to comment, and Adamec was tight-lipped about his orders, issuing only terse written responses to a reporter’s questions.

The cancellations appear to be the latest tear in the widening fissure between Adamac’s administration of the Altoona-Johnstown Roman Catholic Diocese and his conservative critics.

Events leading up to the cancellations began June 18, when Altoona businessman George Foster’s laity group sponsored a visit by conservative author Michael Rose, whose book “Goodbye, Good Men” is critical of the Altoona-Johnstown diocese.

Several priests attended a reception for Rose, and there were conversations of pending transfers and moving arrangements.

On June 19, the Centre Daily Times newspaper carried a front-page story about Foster’s brother James, a Bellefonte priest, being reassigned next month to another parish, and diocese officials denying political motivations.

On June 21, Adamec wrote to all parishes, telling priests that “a number of transfers scheduled to take effect on July 10, 2002, have been put on hold. There are several reasons for that, including breaches of confidentiality.”

A new list of transfers was developed last week, but dated for release on June 28.

Foster’s transfer was not included in the new list.

In his letter, Adamec apologized to “those not contributing to the situation.

“I am sorry that this places an unexpected inconvenience on those who were prepared for a move on July 10,” he wrote.

When a reporter asked what motivated the letter, Adamec replied with a short, written answer: “It’s in the letter.”

When asked if a copy of the transfer list obtained by The Tribune-Democrat early last week, but dated June 28, was a complete list, Adamec replied, “I don’t know.”

Reassignments announced by the diocese on Friday were:
• The Rev. Dennis Kurdziel, pastor of Our Lady of Lourdes in Altoona, to medical leave of absence.
• Msgr. Paul Panza, [a priest with a known history of active homosexuality!--Polycarp] to temporary administrator of Our Lady of Lourdes.
• The Rev. David Becker from pastor of St. Stephen in McConnellsburg to chaplain at the Veterans’ Administration Hospital in Altoona.
• The Rev. Alan Thomas from medical leave to administrator at St. Stephen.
• The Rev. Joseph Nale [who apparently refused to show up for Holy Orders last year because of persecution for his conservative views in seminary as well as while serving here as a transitional deacon--Polycarp] from leave of absence to St. Francis Xavier in Cresson.

Sister Mary Parks, spokeswoman for the diocese, declined to comment on Foster’s situation.

But Adamec and Parks have clashed with the priest in the past over the issue of homosexuality.

Some dioceses, such as Philadelphia, will not accept homosexuals as priests, and the Vatican bans homosexual priests.
But the Altoona-Johnstown Diocese does not. Adamec’s position is that homosexuals may be priests as long as they are celibate.

The homosexual lifestyle has been the subject of an ongoing debate at Penn State University in State College. Foster voiced his conservative views and was chastised by the diocese.

That debate began in October 2000, with a Penn State ceremony titled, “A Service of Affirmation of the Human Dignity of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender People.”
The Rev. Joseph Hlubik, Penn State Roman Catholic Community campus minister, said that although some Bible passages speak negatively of homosexuality, there are positive images as well.

Hlublik then wrote an essay saying:

“Fortunately, with a few positive thought-provoking images of gays portrayed on television and movies and maybe even encounters with gays in our own lives, it is becoming common enough to be a topic of discussion.”

Conservative Catholics, including priests like Foster, were outraged. Foster wrote a response calling Hlubik’s statements “false teaching.”

Then Parks wrote back, rebuking Foster:

“It is highly inappropriate for a Catholic priest to criticize publicly one of his brothers. [but its OK for a feminist nun to publicly criticize a priest--Polycarp] It is canonically inappropriate for a priest to suggest publicly that the diocese (ergo his Bishop) is somehow colluding to lead souls astray.”

Foster’s brother, George, who is president of the Lay Stewardship Foundation, since has been engaged in a public war of words over the way the diocese has handled sex scandals.

Both Parks and Adamec declined to discuss James Foster’s future as a priest, or any other transfers that might be made.



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To: VOA
Would somebody on this forum PLEASE specifically point me to the Bible Scriptures (in the usually accepted Bible running from Genesis to Revelation) the scriptures giving specific, positive images of homosexuality?

VOA, those only exist in the fevered imagination of Fr. Hlubik and others who wish to dilute the faith to match their proclivities. FWIW, you may be interested to read what the Catholic Church officially states on the topic of Chastity and Homosexuality. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

Part 3, Section 2, Chapter 2, Article 6, SubSection 2, Heading 5
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, 141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." 142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

These and other sections may be viewed on line at THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH maitained by the Knights of Columbus.

81 posted on 07/01/2002 12:11:41 PM PDT by COBOL2Java
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To: Siobhan
I belong to none of these groups you mention such as Opus
Dei, etc. I simply have searched for truth which I believe is contained in its fullness in the Catholic Church. The understanding of the priesthood for me was very vague for most of my life (and I am now an old man). I needed to understand how there could be one priesthood and have the priesthood of the laity and the ministerial priesthood ESSENTIALLY different. It began to clear up for me when I began to grasp some understanding after reading Pope John Paul II "Pastores Dabo Vobis." In that he taught about the bishop and priest by virtue of their consecration are configured to Christ as
head and shepherd. It is ontological. It is why the priest can act in the very "person of Christ." Through the years
I came to understand that the priest is consecrated to preach, sanctify and govern.---So long as one stays grounded in the spirit of truth one will always be consistent.
82 posted on 07/01/2002 12:52:06 PM PDT by Renatus
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To: Salvation
Is this (from The Catechism of the Catholic Church, what you are talking about?

Yes. And there is more from Pope John Paul II and others that put the onus of governance on the Bishops and Priests by virtue of their consecration.

83 posted on 07/01/2002 12:58:05 PM PDT by Renatus
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To: Renatus
the onus of governance on the Bishops and Priests by virtue of their consecration.

This I have always believed and never denied. I do believe, however, that we should look at ourselves as co-members of the Catholic Church along with them.

84 posted on 07/01/2002 2:28:33 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: COBOL2Java
Thanks, COBOL2! I had thought about putting these up on a thread somewhere, but obviously you beat me to it. LOL!
85 posted on 07/01/2002 2:32:12 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Renatus
Thank you for your thoughtful answer. I do appreciate it.
86 posted on 07/01/2002 3:36:35 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Steve0113; Polycarp; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Diago; ThomasMore; Notwithstanding
I have heard it attributed to St. John Chrysostom, St. Athanasius, St. John Eudes, or in a variant form by St. John of the Cross who said, "The walls of hell are lined with the skulls of bishops."

Maybe some of those I've pinged can help clarify this.

87 posted on 07/01/2002 3:43:12 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Siobhan
Hmmmm...this could take a bit more digging. There seesm considerable confusion as to who said this:

As I pointed out in last week's commentary, we all know St. Athanasius' famous quote, "The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops." That was in the fourth century. He was, of course, referring to the Arian bishops.

The statement that "The floors of Hell are littered with the skulls of bishops" is attributed to St. John Crysotystom, 300-360 A.D.

I rarely find myself in agreement with the Enemy's workers, but their fifth-century saint, John Chrysostom, had it right when he declared that "the road to hell is paved with the skulls of erring priests, and erring bishops are its lamp posts."

I've begun reading Michael Rose's book on seminary shenanigans, and I'm too furious to write anything churchy, except to recall Athanasius' quote: "The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops." Maybe when I calm down I can write something rational. For now I want to talk about Star Wars."

88 posted on 07/01/2002 4:04:03 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: VOA
I AM a Catholic, and am at a loss as to precisely what passages this twit (excuse me, scholarly priest) refers to.

Maybe we should call a Baptist--they are generally up on ALL of scripture.

89 posted on 07/01/2002 4:27:58 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: Siobhan
And more confusion:

QUOTE OF THE WEEK
"The walls of hell are lined with the skulls of bishops." Saint John of the Cross

90 posted on 07/01/2002 4:39:40 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: Salvation
I do believe, however, that we should look at ourselves as co-members of the Catholic Church along with them

I agree with you completely. We are all baptized into the body of Christ in and through which we are to find our salvation. Praised be Jesus Christ!

91 posted on 07/01/2002 4:41:17 PM PDT by Renatus
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To: Polycarp
We all need to read (again?) Martin's "Windswept House."

Read it AGAIN???

Look, I am 50+ years old, male, in good health. Have guns (hunt and personal protection.) Know how to use them. Have two sons (and several daughters.) Sons are larger than I and healthy. No reason to worry, right?

THAT BOOK SCARED THE BEJABBERS OUT OF ME THE FIRST TIME I READ IT--

....because it just MIGHT be true...

92 posted on 07/01/2002 4:55:17 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: redhead
A very useful old saying: "Birds of a feather flock together." Nuff said.
93 posted on 07/01/2002 4:56:59 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: Salvation
"You see, we, the people are the Catholic Church. "

The facts are that multiple Catholic diocese and their agents across the country have engaged in a massive coverup of multiple acts of child rape, and then paid out money in order to quiet the victims.

The Catholic Church has operated with all the efficiency of the Mob with regards to these crimes.

Personally, I hope someone brings a RICO suit and wins a few billion in damages.

Maybe then the Catholic Church can be rebuilt on the ashes.

Believe me, I know the facts.

L

94 posted on 07/01/2002 5:47:03 PM PDT by Lurker
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To: Siobhan
I have done a nearly exhaustive search of the extant writings of both Chrysostom and Athanasius here with no hits.

I did find the three following close matches for other authors:

1) Ostervald has observed, 'Hell is paved with the skulls of unfaithful ministers.'

2) William Gurnall 1617-1679
Now wisdom being that which the creature chiefly glories in, and that which was chosen by Satan for his first bait, [when he] made Eve believe she should be like God in knowledge and wisdom, therefore God, to give Satan the more shameful fall, gives him leave to use his wits and wiles in tempting and troubling his children, in which lies his great advantage over the saints, that so the way to his own throne—where his wisdom shall at last, as well as his mercy, sit in all its royalty—may be paved with the skulls, as I may so speak, of devils.

3) THOMAS WATSON
It is indeed, sad to think, that hell should be paved with the skulls of any of our children;

Then there is this attribution to Athanasius
The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops. --St. Athanasius (ca. 296-373), but without proof.

And Google turned turned up the following odd quotes:

I believe that it was St. Gregory who stated that the floors of Hell are paved with the skulls of bishops.

St. John Eudes tells us: 'The road to Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops'.

Daily Catholic even has a reader response poll: poll results
The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops. It was said by:
Saint Augustine 12.88%
Martin Luther 24.54%
Dante 25.15%
Saint John Chrysostom 37.42%

I doubt this will be resolved with any certainty. It appears many have got it wrong, and no one has any proof of their particular attribution. It seems a lot of well intended heresay.

95 posted on 07/01/2002 6:44:33 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: Starwind
I'm beginning to believe that it doesn't matter who said it because the sense of the moment would say it is a true statement whether said by a saint or Dante or John Kenneth Galbraith.

So a simple billboard with white sans serif letters on a black field could read:

Hell is paved
with the skulls of bishops.

But something tells me that is too stark, and we really should see a billboard that is addressed to us all:

REPENT

96 posted on 07/01/2002 7:03:22 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: ThomasMore; Polycarp; nickcarraway; electron1; Diago
I would love to see this on a billboard sometime.

"A dead thing can go with the stream,
but only a living thing can go against it."
G.K. Chesterton, The Everlasting Man

Yes, perhaps we need a "Chesterton Project" and put quotes from the great man himself on billboards across the land.

97 posted on 07/01/2002 7:31:51 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Siobhan
But something tells me that is too stark

Oh, I dunno...the border and background could be some nice flames and glowing embers...then it wouldn't be so stark.

98 posted on 07/01/2002 7:42:14 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: Siobhan; HASH(0x92fd0d8); JMJ333; Domestic Church; Dumb_Ox; Aquinasfan; maryz; SoothingDave; ...
I just emailed this to the editor and the publisher of this newspaper, requesting a guest editorial (believe it or net there's a decent chance they'll publish it):

Last fall, my son broke his wrist. We took him to Conemaugh's ER, where it was determined that he had a badly displaced fracture. From there he went to the OR so that the fracture could be set, and he returned to the ER bed where he recovered from the anesthesia before he was released home. As a doctor on staff at Conemaugh, it was very satisfying to note the superb care he received from all involved.

While my son was recovering in the ER he was visited by a priest who chatted with him, brought him soda and snacks, and gave him a blessing. I had never met this priest but as a practicing Catholic I was very pleased with his pastoral concern for my child.

Two months ago I met up with an old friend. We played parochial league basketball on the same team many years ago in Altoona. In the process of catching up on old times, I mentioned that I was involved with a group of lay Catholics trying to investigate claims of priestly abuse in our diocese.

"We gotta talk!" was his answer. It turns out that this man, as a young teen, had repeatedly been sexually assaulted by a priest of our diocese.

I was shocked.

I believe this friend's story. He showed me the hand signed letter from our bishop, dated almost a decade ago, in which the bishop promised to pay for his counseling, and further assured him that the priest involved would never again have access to young boys.

The priest who abused him was the same priest who made that pastoral visit to my son in Conemaugh's ER last fall.

My emotions quickly passed from shock to utter rage.

Sadly, the bishop lied to my friend. The same priest who abused him was in the ER with my own young son, and I'm sure many other parents' young sons over the years, while serving, at Bishop Adamec's orders, as a hospital chaplain. I subsequently contacted the patient relations office at Conemaugh. Apparently this priest has been placed on "medical leave" by Bishop Adamec recently. Unfortunately, the hospital is as much an innocent victim of this bishop's policies as my friend was a victim of that priest years ago.

Recent articles in the Tribune Democrat pose many troubling questions. Obviously, bishops shield abusive priests and cover for their crimes by transfers and hush money, and law enforcement agencies have not aggressively prosecuted such criminal behavior in the past. Therefore, how can our secular institutions possibly fulfill their duties to protect those they serve by proper criminal background checks, often required by state laws to protect patients, students, clients, etc.?

But the most troubling aspect of our local crisis is the vindictive and punitive attitude displayed by our bishop in the Sunday Tribune Democrat's front page article. This bishop seems obsessed with punishing those priests he deems to have "leaked" information or "broken" the confidentiality of diocesan parish assignments.

Where is his concern for the victims of the pedophile priests that are still serving in his diocese? Numerous victims have come forward with claims that presently serving priests abused them in the past.

Where is his concern regarding priests and employees of his diocese who publicly and repeatedly undermine Church teachings on homosexuality? Furthermore, some of the priests this bishop has elevated to Monsignor or has otherwise awarded choice positions in diocesan offices or parishes have known histories of active homosexuality since receiving Holy Orders. Such histories are found in the Luddy trial transcripts as well as interviews with local law enforcement agents, lawyers, judges, priests and others. These facts are all well known to Bishop Adamec, but he chooses instead to persecute the good outspoken faithful priests instead of promoting true Catholic teachings on moral theology and removing, as Canon Law requires, all priests violating the Sixth Commandment.

Finally, at a recent meeting with some of his priests at Sacred Heart Church in Conemaugh, Bishop Adamec again said he was angry about leaks and the fact that several priests attended Michael Rose's talk in Altoona. Adamec stated that for attending this author's talk on the homosexual infiltration of the US seminary system, he intends to "get them!" This is his attitude towards those faithful priests trying to learn more about the real roots of the crisis in the Roman Catholic Church in order to work towards healing the pain. The Vatican too has repeatedly stated that the roots of the current crisis lie in rampant dissent and a falling away from orthodoxy in moral theology, especially regarding homosexuality, and for following the Vatican' s lead it appears these priests are going to be persecuted.

Bishop Adamec needs to understand that the laity are angry, and we simply will not tolerate his open persecution of good faithful priests like the outspoken critics of the homosexual agenda. More importantly, such persecution occurs even while he coddles active homosexual priests, employs open dissidents, hides pedophile priests, and otherwise allows the Catholic Church's beautiful teachings regarding human sexuality to be undermined and mocked.

Bishop Adamec must understand that enough is enough. He should start acting like a Catholic bishop, or resign.

St. Athanasius had haunting words about bishops that shirked their duties to the Faith that Bishop Adamec would do well to heed: "The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops."

99 posted on 07/01/2002 7:42:21 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Siobhan
This might help. I don't know if religious quotes are included.

Quotes by Author

BTW, it does look like their are faith quotes also.

100 posted on 07/01/2002 7:48:56 PM PDT by Salvation
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