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Homebuilder charged with Endangered Species Act violations
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Posted on 06/30/2002 6:07:10 AM PDT by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
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To: First_Salute
If the ponds were filled in, then that must mean the frog is no longer endangered.
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posted on
06/30/2002 6:26:15 AM PDT
by
crz
To: All
A frog, a fine and a farce.
These environmentalists are nuts. I'm not sure what the life span of that frog was, but a bigger critter could have just as well eaten him the next week or he could have choked on a lily pad.
I believe that these folks and the "endangered species act" are infringing on the rights of property owners to develop their property according to "reasonable rules".
Somehow, America has to come to their senses. Our forefathers filled in the swamps and got rid of a lot of the diseases associated with them.They cleared a portion of the woods and turned them into farms.
It was a labor of love and sweat and tears.
These environmentalists wish to create the landscape of the past which excludes man.
That's a step backward not forward.
While I'm at it, these uncontrollable burning forests are a rude awakening to the environmentalists who go around screaming...don't touch our forests.
Let's get back to reality.
To you insane environmentalists....get a job.
Sac
To: chance33_98
I wonder how many endangered species got barbequed in the huge wildfires in colorado and arizona?
Due to the endangered species act, timber companies were not allowed to log and this created HUGE amounts of fuel in the national forests. Nature has restored the balance, at a dreadful cost
The worst thing we can do is listen to the enviro green weenie assholes.
To: chance33_98
The frog is believed to be the one Mark Twain made famous in his short story ``The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County.'' Yeah, sure. First, endangered and now an historical treasure. What's next, sainthood?
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posted on
06/30/2002 7:36:19 AM PDT
by
JCG
To: Sacajaweau; BufordP
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with you. I am saying I find it fascinating how you can be so sure of yourself.
Hypothetical: You own land in Pittsburg, California. You have a house and a pond on your land. There is no law against you filling in the pond to build a tennis court or a barn or whatever. You find out, with absolute certainty, that your pond is the home to the last surviving colony of California Red-Legged Frogs. By filling in your pond you know, beyond a doubt, the frogs will be gone forever.
Question: Would you fill in the pond anyway?
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posted on
06/30/2002 7:56:42 AM PDT
by
leadpenny
To: leadpenny
Question: Would you fill in the pond anyway? YES
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posted on
06/30/2002 8:06:34 AM PDT
by
RicocheT
To: leadpenny
Question: Would you fill in the pond anyway?
Answer: Yes, and not lose any sleep over it.
Perspective, man, perspective. It is, after all, just a frog,
and its demise does not signal the end of the world for mankind.
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posted on
06/30/2002 8:08:34 AM PDT
by
error99
To: Sacajaweau
"These environmentalists are nuts."Of course they are nuts, but the real fools are the people who give serious consideration to them, their opinions, and their policies. If these environmentalists could be ignored, their ravings would be of no consequence. Unfortunately however, there are enough stupid people paying attention to them to make them dangerous.
To: chance33_98
My supervisor lives outside of NYC. On his property, there is a small man-made pond. Well, when he expanded his house and got the permits, (you guessed it) he had to go through hoops with his local wetlands comminsion.
Before they came out to inspect it, he cut down several trees around the pond and used a backhoe to rip out the stumps. He said he wouldn't have been allowed to touch them if the commission knew they were there.
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posted on
06/30/2002 8:15:22 AM PDT
by
Hacksaw
To: leadpenny
Question: Would you fill in the pond anyway?Not only would I'll fill the pond in, I'll sell my property (the frogs) to the nearest French Restaurant to help pay for my new tennis court.
They ARE FROGS.
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posted on
06/30/2002 8:15:32 AM PDT
by
JZoback
To: leadpenny
In today's environment, yes. You see, my property ( hypothetically ) happens to be along the planned route of a nature 'corridor', which can only be constructed if the private property owners sell. I won't even mention the fact that several big wigs involved in the project plan to build big lodges right in the middle of the nature park for themselves and closest friends ( Bruce Babbit and Kaibob, anyone? ).
Now, knowing that soon there will be people snooping around the property to find any little thing 'wrong' to use an excuse to lower the property value or prevent my use of the property, therefore forcing me to sell the property for pennies on the dollar, I would rent a backhoe and fill that pond immediately, making certain that the frogs are buried nice and deep.
To: Sacajaweau
Wanna stop a housing development? Catch and kill a frog, throw it onto the property, and call the California Environazis.
It's cheap, it's easy, and it works every time.
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posted on
06/30/2002 8:17:28 AM PDT
by
Dog Gone
To: chance33_98
Gee, I wonder why California real estate is so expensive?
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posted on
06/30/2002 8:21:17 AM PDT
by
cgbg
To: JZoback
![](http://www.savemountdiablo.org/images/California%20red-legged%20frog%20(3).jpg)
California red-legged frog
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posted on
06/30/2002 8:22:03 AM PDT
by
Dog Gone
To: leadpenny
I'd take out as many frogs as I could, fill in the pond, and take the whole mess of em down to the lobby of PETA and dump em there.
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posted on
06/30/2002 8:23:00 AM PDT
by
goodieD
To: chance33_98
Doesn't that evil capitalist understand that frog rights supersede property rights?
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