Posted on 06/30/2002 5:25:11 AM PDT by The Raven
Question is this:
Why not challenge the basis that schools are an arm of the government? It seems that each court takes for granted that the government (in the form of public schools) can't force kids to recite the pledge, pray, etc) - but these are local/State community based schools. What right does the court have in directing actions and behaviors? Teachers aren't Congressmen.
Or better yet, if the government is caught between a rock and a hard place --- why not challenge the Constitutionality of public schools period. A school receiving ANY instructions whatsoever from the Federal/State government - whether for or against religions, or text books touting the political agendas or fad of the moment - coupled with the States forcing children into schools - is collectivism, not individual freedom.
If Congress must interfere with freedom to worship in schools so that Congress is not forcing religion in the schools, it's a rock and a hard place - since "Congress shall make no law".....[either way]
But he didn't force all children in VA to go to it. The problem with public schools is - if you're stuck in a bad one - what on earth do you do? The liberal answer was bussing (take all of the bad students somewhere else) and now is either more money, fereralize it, or do-nothing (I'm not sure anymore).
The colleges are an example on the macro level (public and private) of what can be achieved on the micro level.
Just like in the old USSR - people will ignore the law.
Pfft. You psuedo-responses are yet more proof this planet lacks intelligent life.
If you part of the problem, you are not part of the solution.
---max
America, founded upon and developed from Christian principles and institutions, has given birth to a diverse system of individual liberty and local self-governing communities without parallel in human history.
Libertarians, like their leftist comrades, are devout practioners of the art of the Big Lie.
Judging by their respective fruits...
It's the liberals and their Libertarian comrades who are cheerleading the use federal power for the purpose of repressing free speech.
Did you miss the threads and the articles where Libertarians were cheering themselves hoarse over force being initiated to prevent local public schools from having voluntary recitations of the Pledge?
This is what is sad. Most people don't know how very little of a state's school budget is supplied by the federal government. They think that the schools are mostly funded by the federal government, which is what the federal government wants them to think. They give so very little, yet exert massive control for it, and guess where they get that small amount they contribute from? They also think we've had a Department of Education forever, when in reality we got during the Carter administration. We've seen which direction the schools have gone since then. We're really gullible.
Second KC thats a great post!
If a court rules that you must say the pledge ( withUnder God included) the 1st Amendment is violated. And if the courts rule we cannot say it the 1st Amendment is violated.
The Founders were trying to achieve a status quo between Church and state relationships.
The 9th Circus has now established the Universal Church of Life with its ruling.
That gets back to the "separation of teachers and government" Teachers are ceratinly thrice removed from legislators and certainly do NOT teach in lockstep with George Bush [By not leading with the pledge, they are certainly not in line with the Republican Party. ]. Rather, their problem is the majority of teachers teach in lockstep with the NEA and the Democratic party. But, I'll bet we have the same situation in private schools and universities.
Which brings up another perplexing problem. Conflict of interest. Teachers paychecks are tied to government [here in Tennessee, we just had public demonstrations for and against new taxes. Guess which side the teachers were on?]. Politicians can "buy votes" by promising income transfers from "the rich." Teachers can organize aand influence the Democratic party [how many were delegates in 2000?]
Points to ponder?
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