[Bandolier]

Uhhhh...no. We are talking about enforced religion. When the leader of the class, the teacher, leads the children (followers) in a pledge to Jesus Christ, that is an enforced religion.

[Hajman]

Uhhhh...no. We are talking about enforced religion. When the leader of the class, the teacher, leads the children (followers) in a pledge to Jesus Christ, that is an enforced religion.

You're correct. However, 2 points. 1) Relating to the court desision, no one was forced to say the pledge. And 2) Saying the Pledge of Allegiance isn't the same as saying a pledge to Jesus. They can pledge to the flag without pledging to that which the flag is under. For example: In the Clinton years, I pledged to the flag, but I did not pledge to that who the flag was 'under' (specifically, Clinton). This invalidates your argument.

-The Hajman-

[Texasforever]

When the leader of the class, the teacher, leads the children (followers) in a pledge to Jesus Christ, that is an enforced religion.

The pledge is to the flag and for the country. As to Jesus Christ, you never tire of ridiculous statements.

[Southack]

"We are talking about enforced religion. When the leader of the class, the teacher, leads the children (followers) in a pledge to Jesus Christ, that is an enforced religion."

That's false logic. Forcing religion onto the class would be threatening punishment for those who don't join the teacher and/or offering rewards for those who do join the teacher.

If rewards and punishments aren't in play, however, then the views of the teacher haven't been forced upon the students.

A teacher can bow to Allah or worship Satan, so long as she's not forcing students to do likewise (and isn't unduly interfering with their education, of course).

Our Constitution prohibits government, however, from banning or infringing on said teacher's right to freely exercise her speech and religious practices.