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The Coming Attack
www.jrnyquist.com | June 24, 2002 | J. R. Nyquist

Posted on 06/28/2002 4:57:08 PM PDT by Charlesj

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To: Fzob
Also, if they really possess WMD why were they not used on 9/11 when America was asleep at the wheel?

This gets repeated a lot here, but it doesn't make it logical.

What is the tactical advantage in using your one nuke, pissing off the entire nation - and causing us to respond by turning the MidEast into the worlds largest glass sculpture?

The 'use your biggest stick' theory only works if your stick can take your enemy down on the first blow. If the Muslim plan is a long war of attrition, then there's no point in using your biggest and best first. You'd use it at a time to cause the most political, economic and military damage possible. Or you'd wait until you had more than one stick....

41 posted on 06/28/2002 6:33:54 PM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: Fzob
I think 9/11 was the big attack but it was only partially successful as the WH or the Capital was not hit. Will there be more attacks? I’m sure there will be. They will be when we don’t expect them and they will be designed to slowly weaken our resolve. I expect a strategy similar to terrorism in Israel.

I mostly agree except that I think a much worse attack is coming, although not for at least a couple of years. One major step to stopping a worse attack is getting rid of the PC mentality that has taken over the U.S.
Unfortunately, I doubt that will happen.

42 posted on 06/28/2002 6:34:31 PM PDT by inflorida
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To: Trust but Verify
Thanks for your post. Is he trying to create terror, or give us a heads up? He has my attention. I guess a heads up works. But if you read the posts, we have read posts of fellow Freepers, going balistic, "did i spell that correctly?". I try to keep my family and my employees informed about what is going on. I hate to pass on mindless miss information. I do want to pass on heads up. Your imput trusted, VERIFY for me, please. Tom
43 posted on 06/28/2002 6:35:40 PM PDT by tall_tex
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To: tall_tex; grlfrnd; L.N. Smithee
Whatever the terrorists are planning, San Francisco is a chief target.

No tinfoil called for.

Things may be worse than the media is letting us in on. For example, today on talk radio in Seattle, host John Carlson, unsuccessful Republican candidate for governor and a very bright, honest guy, reported that FBI was in Seattle this week telling law enforcement that Seattle is considered an easy target by terrorists because police and emergency organizations are understaffed. Seattle is 13th largest US metropolis with 5th worst police force. They're so PC here, every possible alien is protected and cops die on the beat for fear of lifting a gun to save their lives.

I watched local network news tonight and there is NO REPORT on this --no mention of FBI being in town conducting meetings with police chief, etc., no mention of Seattle being considered easy target by terrorists.

And just last week, random inspection of automobiles waiting for ferries was suspended because people had complained of being inconvenienced. God forbid they should be inconvenienced. I take one of those ferries, and so would have Ahmed Ressam, would-be millenium bomber, had he not been stopped by some young low-level INS guy at border when he drove off ferry from Canada late on a December night, 1999. When I mention to my neighbors that he almost drove past our doors, they literally turn away from me. They don't want to hear it. The liberal fog pervades and it's dangerous as hell.

So please take warnings seriously. Horrible things may happen. Live your life, enjoy yourself, take precautions. And don't downplay threats. And ping your San Francisco Freeper friends on this one. They should read this thread.

44 posted on 06/28/2002 6:40:55 PM PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: Washington-Husky
Agree that Nyquist is hyperventilating here. HOWEVER: Just for intellectual exercise- WHAT IF Al-Quaida lit off several suit-case nukes on the 4th of July? Say, klling 10 million Americans. I think it's time to start asking ourselves the question: WHAT SHOULD WE DO THEN? Does Bush have a plan for retaliation in place? I wonder. Do we nuke all the Arab capitals? Do we wipe the middle-east from the face of the earth? We would have done that to the USSR. Would we even have the balls to deport legal immigrants from terrorist nations? What do you guys and gals think BUsh should/would do on that black 5th of July?
45 posted on 06/28/2002 6:41:19 PM PDT by Burr5
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To: Burr5
Just for intellectual exercise- WHAT IF Al-Quaida lit off several suit-case nukes on the 4th of July? Say, klling 10 million Americans.

If you think "several" low-yield weapons would kill 10 million Americans, you obviously need a LOT more intellectual exercise.

46 posted on 06/28/2002 6:42:44 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Charlesj
Yep. I said a few weeks ago that if Bin Laden is planning to release a video on July 4th, it suggests that an attack would occur before that date.
47 posted on 06/28/2002 6:42:53 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Argus
I agree, with you. Do I know the answers, no. I have questions? Yes. Do I have I have concerns? Am I alert, armed, prepared....? What do you think. Tom
48 posted on 06/28/2002 6:46:56 PM PDT by tall_tex
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To: Alas Babylon!
I would invite all American men who are heathly, strong, and patriotic in joining me in beating the snot out of any arabs taking video of Naval vessels (and anything else for that matter) with stop watches. It is at least our duty to question them aggressively and perhaps even invite them and their camera to take a swim.

Just where in the flying foxtrot do they get the right to aggressively take pictures of strategic locations and act strangely without being questioned? Is this some Allah given right?

I've heard this same story too many times for this not to be happening-group of Middle Easterners taking pictures of city/industrial site and no one questioning them. Is as if the police/investigative personnel are afraid due to PC brainwashing to put their careers on the line to do their duty.

Is there no way a police officer can ask them what they are doing, who they are and determine if they are here legally?

This is surreal, but we are at war and we cannot or will not secure our country.

49 posted on 06/28/2002 6:48:35 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: DAnconia55
If the Muslim plan is a long war of attrition, then there's no point in using your biggest and best first. You'd use it at a time to cause the most political, economic and military damage possible. Or you'd wait until you had more than one stick....

Those are certainly good points. I agree this war will be brought to America as a war of attrition. That being the case using your big stick at the right time is critical to those wanting to destroy America. Which brings me back to my main point, which was the forth of July is far to early in a war of attrition and all the terror alert are being generated by Islamic propaganda machines.

Of course they could believe that America resolve is so weak that a large scale terror attack coupled with poor economic would be enough to accomplish their goals. They may be skilled at terrorism but their understanding of America seem to based on Hollywood movies.

50 posted on 06/28/2002 6:49:23 PM PDT by Fzob
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To: inflorida
Unfortunately, I doubt that will happen.

It will happen right after the big attack.

51 posted on 06/28/2002 6:50:49 PM PDT by Fzob
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To: Trust but Verify
Thanks... Tom
52 posted on 06/28/2002 6:52:44 PM PDT by tall_tex
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To: Poohbah
Thanks for your insult moron. "Several" could mean two in Manhattan, two in L.A., two in Chicago, two in Seattle, and God knows how many other targets. Several means SEVERAL. Ten million could be killed easily in this scenario. But even if it was two million, the question is just as relevant. Too bad you're incapable of analyzing it or coming up with an answer.
53 posted on 06/28/2002 6:54:09 PM PDT by Burr5
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To: Fzob
I hope you're right.
I thought it would happen after 9/11 but I was wrong. I guess 3,000 murdered isn't enough.
54 posted on 06/28/2002 6:55:17 PM PDT by inflorida
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To: PoisedWoman
So please take warnings seriously. Horrible things may happen. Live your life, enjoy yourself, take precautions. And don't downplay threats.

Great post and excellent advice. The feds are obviously preparing for something. Why, just before the 4th of July week have they begun distributing iodide pills, stockpiling gas masks in DC, resuming military flyovers, and, breaking tonight on ABC news - they are discussing elevating the threat level color code for next week?

55 posted on 06/28/2002 6:55:24 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: Charlesj
This column is intended to frighten Americans because Americans ought to be frightened.
56 posted on 06/28/2002 6:56:12 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: tall_tex; Burr5; rintense; Poohbah; PoisedWoman; Fzob; inflorida
Beer is good. Very, very good. But seriously...

I still haven't fathomed where this alleged "al-qaeda" is getting such sophisticated weaponry to wreak havoc on American soil... Is there any existing intelligence to verify that "al-qaeda" actually has a nuclear/biological/chemical (NBC) weapons capability to such an extent that they can freely introduce it into American cities? These kinds of weapons take lots of training and practice to use and deploy - which testing activity should have long since been detected by our intelligence services.

I would like to see evidence of "al-qaeda" (or whoever these guys are...) actually having deployed any of these weapons of mass destruction, if only in a practice test, in some other venue. If they really have these weapons, wouldn't they have already tried them either in a) practice runs out in the middle of God (oops, Allah)-knows-where or, b) against, say, Israel or Moscow (i.e. as in revenge terrorism for Chechnya, etc...) Any sort of sophisticated "terrorist" attack that revolves around weapons of mass destruction is invariably going to raise some troubling questions. I don't see enough evidence that "al-qaeda" has this capability. More "crude" stuff, like hijacked planes and the like, yes, but not WMD.

57 posted on 06/28/2002 6:56:12 PM PDT by Washington-Husky
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To: Burr5
. "Several" could mean two in Manhattan, two in L.A., two in Chicago, two in Seattle, and God knows how many other targets. Several means SEVERAL.

Exactly. And you need well BEYOND "several," as you just did in your scenario. You'd need several DOZEN, not several.

With the types of construction used in the US, you'd need dozens of suitcase nukes to destroy most of the urban core of a city such as New York or Chicago. Modern buildings need a LOT of blast and thermal effects to get knocked down--each tower of the World Trade Center took the equivalent of a contact one-kiloton nuclear blast and still stood for almost an hour.

Beyond a few city blocks, most of the damage would be broken windows--the buildings immediately around the blast hypocenter would absorb most of the energy.

58 posted on 06/28/2002 7:00:50 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Washington-Husky
Besides, it's not as if Al-Qaeda can test the nukes to make sure they'll actually blow up before they use them, right?
59 posted on 06/28/2002 7:01:46 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Charlesj
Husband is captain of boats in SF bay. Called home to tell this story.

Two ME women came onboard for a bay cruise, one had an expensive telephoto lensed camera but did not know how to use it. Asked how to use machine which dispenses disposable cameras. Told 'just insert your credit card', didn't want to use credit card she replied. She purchased film at the souvenir stand. Deckhand later sees one woman without the other and conversationally asked, 'where's your friend'? Reply - "I don't know".

Deckhand is now curious and looks for her. Finds her on her back (yes, you read that correctly)taking pictures inside the boat. While all other tourists were looking at the touristy things, these two were not.

This incident took place about a week ago and was reported to the FBI and the Coast Guard. I know that Coast Guard did some follow up. The souvenir pictures that are taken of the boarding passengers (in hopes that they will purchase same) were also turned over.

60 posted on 06/28/2002 7:03:54 PM PDT by pbear8
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