Posted on 06/27/2002 6:29:18 PM PDT by RCW2001
New York, NY, June 27, 2002... The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) expressed disappointment with today's Supreme Court ruling permitting governments to continue to pay for private religious education, calling it "a step backwards for religious liberty." The League pledged to continue to oppose vouchers on policy and state constitutional grounds.
Glen A. Tobias, ADL National Chairman, and Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director, issued the following statement:
The Supreme Court's decision to allow state funds to be given to private religious schools is a disappointment and a step backwards for religious liberty in America. However, our opposition to vouchers has never been limited to federal constitutional grounds alone, and we will continue to oppose them on policy and state constitutional grounds.
We view this decision as extremely limited in its impact. The ruling is narrow and applies only to the specific fact pattern presented in Cleveland. While voucher supporters were hoping for a green light for the use of vouchers in a wide range of contexts, that is not what this decision does.
We are confident that legislators and voters will continue to oppose vouchers on policy grounds. Indeed, wherever Americans have had an opportunity to vote on vouchers, they have rejected them outright. Americans support free and fair public education and are uneasy about government funding for religious schooling.
ADL filed an amicus brief in Harris-Simmons vs. Zelman, urging the Supreme Court to uphold earlier decisions by the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and U.S. District Court, which had rejected vouchers as unconstitutional. ADL had argued that separation of church and state is essential to religious liberty in America.
The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry.
This is what you said. You foolishly grouped Weisenthal Center with more liberal Jewish organizations. You are as wrong as Klinghoffer. I dare you to go to the Weisenthal Center website and find something bad there. Maybe you will complain about holocaust restitution.
So be it. I put more trust in an Orthodox Jew who writes for the National Review than the Simon Wiesenthal Center which puts on a CD-ROM on "hate" groups and "extremists" it passes out to cops and which snoops on 25,000 web sites a month looking for "hate" and "extremists."
I know the concept of Jews voting for Republicans is offensive to you, and that’s OK. The poster who called you a Carville operative had it right.
Now I remember why you pinged me, it’s the ADL
Are you shocked the ADL opposes this? I’m not. And they’re not a religious organization.
You want me to say they have done a good job exposing and combating anti-semitism (I know LL, there is no such thing) for much of the last century. It’s true. They still do. Unfortunately due to the troll who runs the place they spend 70% of their time on a liberal political agenda which has nothing to due with their purpose. This is a example.
Now you can continue to go thread to thread saying you’ve seen JEWS on FR defending the ADL. SHOCKING!!! The FR Jews are just disguised liberals, aren’t they LL.
You might have a point.
YO, Larry. You complain about the hate group list thread after thread. I've asked which groups on the list are non hate groups. I'll post a link again.
You can browse it. And others can see the type of sites you're complaining about being labeled as hate sites.
You really despise the The Task Force Against Hate don't you? Informing the nation (only those who want to listen, you can tune them out)about hate and terrorist groups. Unamerican. Lousy first ammendment.
"The keen insight and analysis you provided to members of the 'Secretary of the Army's Task Force on Extremism' will be of great assistance to our team members as they travel the country in performance of their duties."
Larry R. Jordan
Major General, U.S. Army, Deputy The Inspector General
"...gave tremendous insight to how racist groups think, act, and view law enforcement. Our instructors truly benefited...Everyone's awareness level was raised."
Bernard C. Parks
Los Angeles Chief of Police
"It has been a long time since we had a speaker that I consider had a real message...I want to thank you for the opportunity to learn from you."
Leo Arrellano, student
Vail High School, Montebello, CA
"The presentations were extremely informative, exciting and well-received...my sincere thanks and appreciation for helping the FBI accomplish the goal of increasing public awareness of the issues surrounding hate crimes and discrimination..."
Louis J. Caprino, Supervisory Special Agent
U.S. Department of Justice, Indianapolis, IN
See, I defended the Simon Wiesenthal Center too. Congrats LL, you've outed another liberal Jew on FR. Congrats from Mr. Carville too.
Literally translated, it means an abbreviated form of "Richard" that begins with the letter "D".
I hope that answers your question. LOL.
Women against cun control, and the NRA's listing of gun shows that was on the NRA website were listed as hate sites.
Do you consider those to be hate sites? Can you think of any reason why they would have been listed along with The Spotlight and Klan-type pages besides perhaps that the SWC is a bunch of stinking liberals?
Once a good organization, SWC has just become another liberal front group.
All the time that you spent defending these anti-constituion liberals could be much better spent founding a Jewish organization that mixes the original good work of the ADL and the SWC.
"Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Los Angeles-based center. Cooper told WND that in all cases, the center "followed the cheese of these extremist groups" and was led to believe the websites are hate-motivated. Cooper also said he was "not in a position to answer" questions related to criteria used to identify cyberhate. Additionally, the rabbi quickly interjected it would be more accurate to label the listed websites as "problematic" rather than hateful, despite the fact that the center's list is called "Digital Hate."
In other words: 'Pro-gun groups may not be expressing hate, but they are hate-motivated."
A bunch of stinking liberals. If I were Jewish, I would be outraged that these charlatans are using the suffering of Jews as a cover for their liberal political agenda.
I would agree with you. They have no business following a political agenda at all.
I'm very familiar with the incident you describe. It was the subject of several FR threads.
They published the list, they received a substantial number of complaints (I complained, I'm sure you and LL did too), they removed the sites and adopted a postition that they would take no position on the 2nd ammendment or gun control.
In addition, they pulled the entire anti-government section (that's why you need to look at an archived site to see them), which was also none of their business. This took about 6 weeks.
I'd suggest that that's the proper response. If they take a position on gun control again they'll hear from me again. But I think rubbing their face in a mistake they corrected (or as LL does, slandering them thread to thread) is just plain stupid.
And the hate sites I see on their web site are just that, hate sites.
I would agree that all of the sites currently listed are appropriate.
I would think that most Jews would realize by now that American Christians are huge supporters of Israel. I also find it hard to believe that any Jew would be concerned about Christian religious education in these times.
There isn't an activist anti-Jewish component in most mainstream Christian denominations. Most Christian education would actually condemn stuff like the skinhead, neo-Nazi, or KKK variety of anti-Jewish prejudice. At the Catholic school I attended, we actually hosted visiting students from Israel.
"2. The ADL is an out of touch institution. They are acting against the interest of Jews in America here."
You think so, and I think so, but I know first-hand how my own Jewish friends and acquaintances think, and I have always found it a bizarre exercise in cognitive dissonance.
Ask them what they consider more threatening to Jews in America:
a. The overwhelming ignorance most Jewish children have of their faith, a factor in the 60% intermarriage rate
b. Christians passing on their faith to their children.
c. The prospect of Jews being seen as an impediment to relgious education in America or worse as preventing the poor and minorities from getting educated?
The realization that leftist intolerance migh cause anti-Semetism and that they are hurting the poor might knock some sense into them.
If you know nothing about me at all, surely you've learned that stirring the ant-pile and watching the ants run around mindlessly is kind of fun for me.
Not everyone knows you.
Contrary to popular myth, not all Jews are rich. Many would love to send their children to private Jewish schools, but can't. Others can't afford to send their children to good secular schools and then to after-school Jewish programs.
Even the Rich Jews will appreciate getting some money for private education. (I'm sure my parents would have appreciated vouchers when they sent me and my sister to private schools, costing 28,000 combined)
In a time when there is increasing acceptance of Anti-Jewish sentiment, especially among blacks and muslims, a stand like this by the ADL is bound to do nothing more than create additional anti-Jewish sentiment among even more mainstream Americans.
1. The ADL are leftists first.
2. Anti-Semetism is the lifeblood of the ADL. A conspiratorial-minded person might conclude that it is in the benefit of the ADL to promote anti-Semetism.
American Evangelical Christians are the only true friends that the Jews and Israel have in the entire World. When are they going to wake up to this fact?
Increasingly, Jews are. Heck, teh ADL ran an ad promoting this. Unfortunately, too many "Jewish" groups put leftism aboive all else.
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