Trial will weigh whether Muslim must remove veil for license photo

AZCentral.com/Orlando Sentinel ^ | 6.26.02

[ppaul]

Islam is the scourge of the earth and mohammedans are lower than vermin. They should be treated as such.

Whew!
Getting a little hot under the collar this morning, are we?

[ppaul]

For the modern Islamic woman,
the multicolored hejab.

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[borntodiefree]

Wrong Answer. Even the SCOTUS has rightuflly found that a persons right to travel on public roads does not require a license, or tag, or tax. The first case arose out of Chicago, I forgot the case, but it should be easy enough to find on google, findlaw, or lexis-nexis.

The ONLY way they are FRAUDULANTLY forcing people to have this licesnse is becuase the STATE OWNS THE CARS!!

[ppaul]

I forgot the case, but it should be easy enough to find on google, findlaw, or lexis-nexis.

So find it for us already!
In the meantime, if you drive your car on a public road, without a driver's license, and you get stopped by a police officer, you'll end up in the crowbar hotel, even if you show him a copy of the SCOTUS case. And, the judge at your trial will find you guilty and fine you anyway. He might even tell you that you have the right to appeal his decision. Good luck!

[FreeTally]

Holding a state-issued driver's license is a privilege controlled by the state; but driving, as an important means for implementing the First Amendment's right to peaceably assemble, is arguably a right.

Public roads complicate this. I agree that "mobility" is a right, but when Americans excepted the notion that roads are publically owned, we gave the "public" the power to set any and all rules.

Because vehicles are high-valued items which become the targets of criminal actions, we have given the State the power to punish criminal acts which involve vehicles(which, in essence, are crimes against the individual who owns the vehicle). This is why we allow for "registering" of vehicles. Motorists are (supposed to be) innocent until proven guilty. You are asked by police, while on roads, to produce identification only after you have been stopped for suposedly violating some ordinance or law. At this point, given that we have given the government the power to protect us against theft of cars, it is my opinion that it is no violation of rights to "prove" who you are.

This is why no one can be allowed to cover their face on a driver's license.

P.S. You do not need a license to own a car, and can drive on private property all you want without one.

[FreeTally]

The ONLY way they are FRAUDULANTLY forcing people to have this licesnse is becuase the STATE OWNS THE CARS!!

The State does not own the cars. We have given the State the power to "register" vehicles because they are high-value property which are frequently the targets of criminal actions. The title is your proof of ownership, just like a deed to property. The vehicle is "titled" in a specific state because enforecement of property crimes is a state controled issue.

And yes, find that case for us.

[yianni]

She looks like the girl I took to Pig Night at Sigma tau thirty years ago.

[Drew68]

Well then, it seems like you have a full grasp of our founding documents which state "liberty and justice for all...except Muslims"

Take your sanctimony elsewhere. These people hate us and want us dead. They hate our way of life and everything that freedom stands for. If they had their way, you would learn the literal meaning of your screenname quite quickly.

They are the enemy --every goddamned last one of them. As the enemy of America and anathema to everything I hold dearly, I have nothing but contempt and pure hatred for them. Pardon me, but these people attacked us! They have made well known the fact that we (America) should be destroyed and/or converted to Islam (at gunpoint if necessary).

As such, I WILL NOT afford them the same respect, tolerance and latitude for religious practices and beliefs that I gladly will to Jews, Buddhists, Baptists, Mormons, etc. --religions that have not flown hijacked planes into skyscrapers killing thousands, religions that do not turn their children into walking explosives, religions that do not celebrate the violent death of thousands of innocent people.

I will not differentiate between "good" and "bad" mohammedans any more than I would ask a Jew to differentiate between "good" and "bad" Nazis." The entire religion is evil to the core.

To hell with these animals and may hell come quickly.

[Drew68]

Whew!
Getting a little hot under the collar this morning, are we?

No, you caught me in a good mood and as such I left out the demand for death camps.

[Michael2001]

I'd like to say that no judge would be so stupid as to let her win, however after the Pledge decision, I have lost all faith in our judges.

[Redleg Duke]

Enough of this hypocracy! If she is a true Muslim, then she, as a woman, isn't allowed to drive!

[Redleg Duke]

I'm not a lawyer, but I think you are carrying this to an absurd extreme.

[borntodiefree]

No, the Manufacturers Certificate of Origin is the Allodial Title. This is by force of illigitamit law given to the state when a car is bought new. You sign away, by force that they will not sell you the car, the allodial title.

The dealer/state gives you an equity title, this is also called a Certificate of Title, this whole process is known as a trust. Ultimately, this means you can use the assets in the trust as long as you abide by the rules set by the holder of the allodial title.

Cases will follow

[borntodiefree]

Hmmm, well then, you better go read Treaty of Tripoli

ARTICLE 11 As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, - and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

I'm not supporting the murderous bastards that came after us, but I am against targeting those who have not and have no intention of attacking us.

[Jay W]

If she wins her case does that mean that Klansmen can wear their hoods for their driver's license photos?

[borntodiefree]

My mistake, none of these were SCOTUS, only the Federal Appelatt courts... Obviously, the states/cities did not find it useful to appeal to the SCOTUS.

Chicago Motor Coach vs. Chicago, 169 NE 11
Ligare vs. Chicago, 28 NE 934
Boon vs. Clark, 214 SSW 607
in addition, it can be found in the 25th American Jurisprudence 1st(sp) Highways Sect 163

I'll give you some excerpts, but don't believe me, look them up yourself:

"The use of the highways for the purpose of travel and trasportation is not a mere privilege, but a common and fundamental Right of which the public and the individual cannot be rightfully deprived."

Oh yes, and the real kicker:

"The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by horse drawn carriage or by automobile , is not a mere privelege which a city can prohibit or permit at will, but a common Right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happines."
Thompson vs. Smith, 154 SE 579

[borntodiefree]

Hehe, I can see it now, using a white background, nothing but a pair of eyes on the license. :)

[ppaul]

Those are all old, old cases. You'd lose using any of them as a defense to "Operating a motor vehicle on a public highway without a valid driver's license."
You'd also be charge with driving without having the actual license in your possession, a separate offense in most states.

[Drew68]

I'm not supporting the murderous bastards that came after us, but I am against targeting those who have not and have no intention of attacking us.

Whether or not this woman wishes to attack us is irrelevant. She has chosen the side of evil and should be judged accordingly.

If I surrounded myself with murderers and pedophiles (muslims) and took up their flag (whether or not I was a murderer or pedophile) I would be viewed with contempt and disgust by those who take their stand *against* murderers and pedophiles.

This woman expects us to tolerate her religion (a religion that calls for America's destruction) under the guise of accomodation and diversity. I, for one, will not.

[FreeTally]

All legal gobblygook. The State can not claim ownership of the vehicle. Other than tax, I get all proceeds when I sell. The State never claims any ownership of the vehicle.