Vanity: The Pledge of Allegiance is Unconstitutional - If That Doesn't Convince You What Will?

June 26, 2002 | Jim Robinson

[FreedominJesusChrist]

Why is God's name did you give yourself that screename?

[Carry_Okie]

The most critical thing conservatives need to do right now is to elect Bill Simon.

[Ravenstar]

This does not require a Constitutional amendment. Don't you all understand that the 9th Circuit Court has finally dealt a death blow to judicial activism if this is just handled with Clarity (and maybe by Clarity).

This ruling finally got me to realize why this judicial activism has been happening and how to stop it. The ridiculousness of this ruling helps nail it.

The court did not rule on any law. They were ruling on Community practice which is not in the purview of the Court. The Courts may rule on the Constitutionality or Unconstituionality of a Law but only Congress or state legislatures may pass laws. No law was passed here to require the recitation of the Pledge.

It is simply community practice which is a power retained by the People and outside the Courts jurisdiction. So just use the Constitution as is and call me in the morning. If this is done judicial activism should come to a screaching halt or atleast be regularly reversed. Don't fall victim to the liberal knee jerk reaction. "There ought to be a law."

P.S. Do call your Reps and Senators and tell them to formally request by Resolution that the Supreme Court immediately take up and reverse the 9th Circuit Courts decision.

Ravenstar

[Jhoffa_]

Cause Hoffa's back.

Reincarnated as a union hating Conservative..

(It's a poke at the unions actually. Organized Labor's little hero goes bad.. :)

[Amelia]

If anyone wishes to voluntarily recite the Pledge, more power to them. If I want to (as someone did earlier in the thread) post here, "God Bless America.", I can do that; but to require attendance, and require and/or enforce recitation, would be contrary to the intent of the Constitution.

I am a public school teacher. Recitation of the Pledge is voluntary NOW. We cannot and do not force students to say the Pledge.

We DO recite the Pledge as a class each day, but students who do not wish to do so are not REQUIRED to do so.

[FreedominJesusChrist]

Whew! Unfortunately, organized crime and corrupt labor unions are still alive and well in Chicago.

[Reagan Man]

Well said oh fearless leader!

It's great that you've come out of the political closet, so to speak and thrown your full and unconditional support behind President Bush and Republican candidates for this coming fall elections. I can't disgaree with one word you wrote Jim and again welcome you onboard in support of President Bush. He's a fine man and a good American. He needs everyone's support.

Conservatives, Republicans, independents and others who are opposed to the liberal social policies of the Democratic Party, should join all those who love America and vote these leftwing bastards out of office.

[Jhoffa_]

organized crime and corrupt labor unions are still alive and well..

Yeah.. The two are joined at the hip..

Forever corrupt and inefficent. Rewarding warm corpses with tenure and actively punishing superior job performance.

It has nothing to do with the "workin man!" and everything to do with corruption, socialism and control by stealth.

[FreedominJesusChrist]

You are correct about that one AMELIA.

The U.S. Supreme Court needs to take a second look at their past flawed interpretation of the Establishment Clause. Someone should file another relevant lawsuit, which can be distinguished from other past U.S. Supreme Court rulings, and try to get it to the U.S. Supreme Court via a Writ of Certiori.

Either way, this Federal Court ruling will get overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court. But just the fact that this Liberal Court of Appeals ruled this way is scary.

[rintense]

Jim, you are SOOOO right! If this doesn't stress the importance of the fall elections, I don't know what does. Freepers, we are a powerful force when united for a cause. Let's work together to make sure the Republicans gain control of the Senate in November 2002!

United we will stand! God bless America!

[Arizflash]

Yep, came to the same conclusions myself some time ago. Hope you enjoy your Bush-Bot suit as much as I do. More comfortable by the day. Heeheee.

[Le-Roy]

...students who do not wish to do so are not REQUIRED to do so...

   Really? As a test, my son declined to participate one day. It became an on-going battle with the teacher, and the school administration, till the end of the school year (and his graduation). There was no disruption, no belligerence, no active dissension by my son, simply a decision to not go along with an empty ritual (which is the way it is treated by most of the other students).

   The teacher claimed it was a disruption to the other students, sent him to the office, the principal tried to bully/coerce him to participate (my son said, 'You really don't want to talk to my dad about this.'), finally sent him back to class with the agreement that he would stand quietly --- that wasn't enough for the teacher, who still waxed apoplectic every morning, still manufactured disciplinary crises requiring administrative intervention.

   The function of 'public' school in this country today is primarily social indoctrination --- it is most certainly not about developing creative, vibrant intellects.

   Convince me that the same (or much worse) wouldn't happen to an Occidental who spoke '...one nation, under Allah...', as should very well be their prerogative.

[Chairman_December_19th_Society]

To draft a Constitutional Amendment requiring recital, in this current form, would be a travesty; and the ruling is proper, if it only bars mandatory recitation. If anyone wishes to voluntarily recite the Pledge, more power to them. If I want to (as someone did earlier in the thread) post here, "God Bless America.", I can do that; but to require attendance, and require and/or enforce recitation, would be contrary to the intent of the Constitution.

Since I came up with the idea for an Amendment (maybe others have too, but I know I did, and I'll speak to my notion), let me say the words I crafted have zero requirement to mandate recitation, but merely to ensure the form remained constant.

This is not a new concept for the Constitution, either. The oath of office for the President is in there, so why not the Pledge?

It can be left to the states, as it is now, what to do with it.

[Joe Brower]

[FreedominJesusChrist]

"Convince me that the same (or much worse) wouldn't happen to an Occidental who spoke '...one nation, under Allah...', as should very well be their prerogative."

In case you haven't noticed, the word God is used very generically in this context. And in case you have forgotten, Allah is Arabic for the term God.

[Howie]

Make sure you don't say goodbye to them at the end of the day! (I'm kidding):

Main Entry: good-bye Variant(s): or good-by /gud-'bI, g&(d)-/ Function: noun Etymology: alteration of God be with you Date: circa 1580 1 : a concluding remark or gesture at parting -- often used interjectionally 2 : a taking of leave

[Darlin']

FOFLOL. Thanks, you're right I did. I'll correct my mistake right away. LOL :)

[Darlin']

"..... I love my country and I love my freedom more than life itself. I don't care what anyone says about me, or what labels they pin on me. From this day forward I am a Bush-bot and proud of it! I am going to help turn this thing around or I'm going down in flames trying. "

Thank you. I am so grateful for the firm position you have taken on this crucial issue and for the positive suggestions. We need to replace both Senators from my state but especially the jr Senator,Mary Landrieu. She is a young Hillary in the making with the money and backing of the old democratic party machine here. Right now the chances of defeating her aren't looking too good.

Thanks for the Ping, Mo. :)

[Le-Roy]

   That addresses not one whit of my scenario. Can you honestly aver that a child in Topeka, Ks., or Atlanta, Ga., or Salt Lake City, Ut., would not be ostracized, excoriated, vilified and generally calumniated, were they to be heard pledging allegiance to '...one nation, under Allah...', without the school administration, the state legislature, the national legislature, or the U.S. Supreme Court (or all of the above) actively endorsing such, as good and proper under the guidelines of the Constitution? Or even, at least, making it explicitly clear that there are to be no punitive sanctions or 'official' condemnation for even a refusal to participate?

   Anything less amounts to state endorsement of religious beliefs, since the fed-gov is the heavy hand behind 'public' schools.

(Once again, this whole question could be solved by completely removing fed-gov from any involvement in the process of education.)

[AuntB]

ONE NATION UNDER GOD

Bump!!