White House Says Court Ruling On Pledge Is 'Wrong'(Graham: Constitutional Amendment If Necessary)

CNSNEWS.com ^ | 6/26/02 | Jim Burns

[HiTech RedNeck]

yooooo hoooooo! I think you can answer sodden rawk's question quite well.

[southern rock]

Our kids CANNOT say the Pledge of Allegiance at school anymore

Only at public school, a place they shouldn't be to begin with. Real conservatives wouldn't even be conceding that public schools have a right to exist, much less what should and shouldn't be recited in them.

[Howlin]

When will they be taking off? :-)

[Howlin]

Do you suppose McCain will now continue to hold up Bush's appointments to the bench??????

[mlo]

Your children are not required to say the pledge of allegiance either. Just as they are not required to pray during a moment of silence.

This ruling is about what the teacher says, not what the students say. I guess you missed that distinction in all the emotional ranting going on.

Perhaps you will see to it that they are not required to learned the preamble to the declaration of independence either. I'm sure you will do all you can to protect them from eternity in heaven with a God who loves them so.

That is your superstition, not mine. You have a right to it, but you do not a right to have it promulgated by a state institution. This decision is about that difference. It should not be such a difficult concept to understand.

[southern rock]

We need to play Red Skelton's reading of the Pledge on every radio...every hour.

How's that gonna show 'em? Radio stations are privately owned.

[TexKat]

I just heard a preview of tonight's Bill O'Reilly's show. He said that they have evidence that the judge on this issue is wrong. Stay tuned to Fox's O'Reilly.

[alnick]

They don't.

[aristeides]

What Feinstein was referring to was the proposal that the Ninth Circuit be split in two, which the Congress has seriously considered in the past. I think now is the time to go ahead with that proposal.

[wimpycat]

You're either being deliberately obtuse, or else you don't understand what's going on here, or maybe you're an atheist, or maybe you're just plain stupid and can't help yourself. This is more than a simple ruling on a simple phrase that can or can't be recited. There's a lot more to it than that. This may be no big deal to you, but it should be patently obvious to you that it is a big deal to a lot of people. Most people in this country believe in God. There has been a steady trickle of court rulings that have effectively banned any mention of God, incorrectly interpreting the Constitution to create a false notion of separation of church and state. The amendment dealing with establishment of religion does NOT mean you can't talk about God or say His name in public schools or other public settings. The ACLU and these other groups will next go for "In God We Trust" on our currency. The anti-God people in this country accomplish their agenda by chipping away, little by little. This is just one move in a long line of moves, and they will keep on as long as people like you sit back and do nothing.

Please respect the fact that most of us feel very strongly about this, that we're not stupid or blind or unfamiliar with the law, and above all, stop feigning ignorance about why we're upset!

[aristeides]

I think they take a July 4th recess. If so, it should be about to begin.

[Goldi-Lox]

as part of the "civil disobedience." Instead of stifling the Pledge, it should be everywhere, said by everyone, constantly, until this decision is overturned...one way or another.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Clueless you... it is a well established decision that those whose religion forbids pledging to flags (e.g. Jehovah's Witnesses) are not harmed by being allowed to remain silent while the (gasp) TEACHER leads the rest of the class. Let's turn it right back on you: what kind of nonfaith do you have, that a so called "superstition" can rouse you so? Were the teacher to lead a recitation about the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus would you be so upset? Maybe the "superstition" is rousing things in your conscience you don't want to hear?

[Amelia]

Do you suppose McCain will now continue to hold up Bush's appointments to the bench??????

This ruling makes the debate about judgeships very graphic to me....IMO it's more the liberal judges making rulings like this that are destroying the culture than it is the Congress....(no, I'm not saying Congress is perfect, but I don't think they are destroying our culture brick by brick like judges are.)

We need to get the Senate back & get those judicial appointments moving.

[alnick]

Atheists and pagans don't have rights to their beliefs?

Of course they have the right to their beliefs. They do not however have the right to suppress the expressions of the beliefs of others because they claim that they are somehow injured by hearing people around them utter the name of God.

[mlo]

Clueless you... it is a well established decision that those whose religion forbids pledging to flags (e.g. Jehovah's Witnesses) are not harmed by being allowed to remain silent while the (gasp) TEACHER leads the rest of the class.

The decision says there is harm. If I have to come down on one side or the other I say it is right.

Let's turn it right back on you: what kind of nonfaith do you have, that a so called "superstition" can rouse you so? Were the teacher to lead a recitation about the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus would you be so upset? Maybe the "superstition" is rousing things in your conscience you don't want to hear?

Rouse me? It's not me talking about how enraged I am, that's the other side. I'm only arguing my views on an issue I hadn't given a second thought to before today. Trust me, I'm not riled. My arguements are valid though. It is those you should address.

[Carolinamom]

Well said.