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To: Jeff Head
Who cares about the Pledge of Allegiance? It isn't a founding document. It isn't even consistent with the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution! It is diametrically opposed to them, because it asserts that nobody has the right to throw off an oppressive government--because the "nation" is "indivisible."

The PLEDGE IS NOT "CONSERVATIVE"!!!!!

897 posted on 07/07/2002 11:29:23 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
I disagree.

"One nation, under God, indivisible" ... says to me that our Nation Under God is indivisible. In this sense, it is consistant with the Declaration ... at least to me.

Clearly, with 80 million of us armed, there is always the potential for rebellion ... I don't need a founding document, or anything else to tell me that. There is always the potential for rebeliion if tyrants push too hard.

If they ever do (and last year in Klamath it came close IMHO as it has in a number of other places the last few years), then it will sprout its own legs and grow. I pray that doesn't happen but it will depend on what those globalist/elitist/socio-narxist tyrants do ... and I will remain armed to insure they know that Jefferson's words about watering the liberty tree remain in effect today.

Having said all of that ... I will continue with this effort because I care about the pledge and do not see it as the nefarious instrument with its current wording that some would like to ascribe to it.

898 posted on 07/07/2002 12:53:06 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Arthur McGowan
It is diametrically opposed to them, because it asserts that nobody has the right to throw off an oppressive government--because the "nation" is "indivisible."

Indivisible in the sense that no state may legally secede. If the government becomes oppressive--that is, fails to abide by the law--then it has forfeited its own protections under the law. Then states may secede.

It is analogous to how people may not legally kill you--but if you break the law by, say, becoming a traitor or killing an innocent person, then you have forfeited your protections under the law and may be sentenced to death.

So, IMHO, saying that the nation is indivisible is like saying that you are "unkillable."

899 posted on 07/07/2002 12:54:06 PM PDT by Smile-n-Win
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