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9TH CIRCUIT COURT: PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL
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Posted on 06/26/2002 11:25:21 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

UNBELIEVABLE. BREAKING ON FOX: SF APPEALS COURT SAYS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ENDORSES RELIGION, AND IS THEREBY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.


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KEYWORDS: 9thcircuitcourt; michaeldobbs; pledgeofallegiance; unconstitutional
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To: JulieRNR21
Excellent. This deserves re-posting!


81 posted on 06/26/2002 11:41:20 AM PDT by phasma proeliator
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To: tpaine
Anyone know why it was changed?

Anti-communists in the 50's wanted it done. The idea was that pledging to God (understood by all concerned to be the Christian God) would prove our moral superiority over the godless commies.

82 posted on 06/26/2002 11:41:20 AM PDT by cracker
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Bumping through -- the 9th Circuit strikes again!
83 posted on 06/26/2002 11:41:48 AM PDT by Angelwood
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To: cracker
Yep. I have some pre-50s paper currency without IGWT printed on the back. I like to collect them.
84 posted on 06/26/2002 11:42:01 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Dog
Although, think about it. This is certain to be appealed to the Supremes and it MAY be a golden opportunity to re-visit the non-existant "seperation of church and state" assumptions.

By that I mean, it may start a national debate where people for the first time realize that the words "seperation of church and state" are nowhere to be found in the Constitution.

Post 9/11, who knows where the sentiments of the country will lead that discussion?

85 posted on 06/26/2002 11:42:03 AM PDT by berned
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I'm just waiting for the day they declare the US Constitution "unconstitutional". What a bunch of pathetic hypocrites. Perhaps they'll whip themselves into a frenzy and also declare all US currency that contains the phrase, "In God We Trust", to be unconstitutional as well..

I would imagine the Declaration of Independence will be striken soon, as it mentions (gasp) GOD..

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

86 posted on 06/26/2002 11:42:14 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: Lucas1
Round up a posse. Let's lynch the basrards. : )
87 posted on 06/26/2002 11:42:18 AM PDT by BADJOE
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To: Constitution Day
amazing
88 posted on 06/26/2002 11:42:43 AM PDT by jern
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To: FormerLurker
Given that the DoI isn't a legally binding document in this country, I don't think that it could be struck down.
89 posted on 06/26/2002 11:43:02 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I am sure that Senator Depends finds these judges to be fine and upstanding though.
90 posted on 06/26/2002 11:43:14 AM PDT by Corporate Law
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To: Sabertooth
Rush is saying (hoping, I'm sure) that this may be a key to getting back the Senate this fall.

It's the liberal Senate that prevents conservative justices from being confirmed. The Republican candidates can use this (and must use this) to hammer Rat candidates in the coming months.

91 posted on 06/26/2002 11:43:22 AM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Our money is unconstitutional too. Liberals kindly drop off all your money at my house. I will hold onto it for ya...
92 posted on 06/26/2002 11:43:27 AM PDT by alisasny
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To: Recovering_Democrat
It will be interesting to see who comes out and supports the Ninth Court ruling and who opposes it. This will be int he news for a while.
93 posted on 06/26/2002 11:43:30 AM PDT by freedom4ever
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To: BCR #226
That's why we continue to lose the battle. All we do is shake our heads and whine. Nobody is willing to do what is really necessary to take back the Republic.
94 posted on 06/26/2002 11:43:34 AM PDT by That Subliminal Kid
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To: Howlin
the 9th needs to be more than 'overturned' on this. Their ass should be shipped to the caves of Afghanistan.
95 posted on 06/26/2002 11:43:39 AM PDT by phasma proeliator
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To: WellsFargo94
Or Jewish!!! We believe in G-d too!!! Hell, even the Muslims believe in someone they *think* is G-d. This ruling seems to benefit only the atheists...
96 posted on 06/26/2002 11:43:53 AM PDT by College Repub
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To: cracker
Anti-communists in the 50's wanted it done. The idea was that pledging to God (understood by all concerned to be the Christian God) would prove our moral superiority over the godless commies.

As a godless capitalist I'm morally superior to religious commies. It's the commie part that's a problem.

97 posted on 06/26/2002 11:44:05 AM PDT by mlo
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To: Recovering_Democrat
The Democratic Underground is loving every minute of it...I am stunned just stunned by these idiots in the 9th circuit. Whatever...it won't stand!
98 posted on 06/26/2002 11:44:17 AM PDT by Lucas1
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To: CecilRhodesGhost
This is simply courts affirming the separation of church and state.

1. There is no such clause in the Constitution.

2. The Establishment Clause of the 1st Ammendment says "Congress shall make no law," so why should it apply to state or local legislation... or to school districts?

3. The Constitution derives its authority from the Declaration of Independence, in which it was recognized that we are "endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights." In pursuit of the protection of those rights while assembling a national government, the Bill of Rights was ratified. How does mentioning "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance conflict with the Bill of Rights, with which the Founders understood we are endowed by our Creator?




99 posted on 06/26/2002 11:44:30 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Texaggie79
If it said "I pledge allegiance to the principles outlined in 'The Constitution' of the United States of America" - I would agree, but it dosen't.

Flags can be and have been co-poted, and used to cloak vile behavior.

Clearly written principles cannot.

100 posted on 06/26/2002 11:44:46 AM PDT by Triple
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