9TH CIRCUIT COURT: PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL

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[Recovering_Democrat]

UNBELIEVABLE. BREAKING ON FOX: SF APPEALS COURT SAYS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ENDORSES RELIGION, AND IS THEREBY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

[Viva Le Dissention]

That's just not true--no one is stopping the kids from saying the pledge, no one is stopping kids from saying "under God." All they are doing is preventing the school from endorsing it.

The same way that no one stops your kid from praying in school--we just don't have "prayer time" for kids.

[Constitution Day]

rintense: "All the liberals need is a crack, and they turn it into the Grand Canyon."

Dittos & BTTT!!!

[Mo1]

OK .. I'll look for it .. BRB

[demlosers]

Alfred Goodwin
506 Court of Appeals Bldg, 125 S Grand Ave, Box 91510
Pasadena, CA 91109-1510
Phone: (818) 583-7100

His address and a New Phone number, plus the rest of the 9th circuit

[Britton J Wingfield]

My oath is to the Constitution, and I need no other pledge. I'm not offended by the God reference, though. Originally the pledge was written by a socialist theologian to promote the idea of centralized federal control, as opposed to state's rights, so it's certainly not my ox being gored here.

[MJY1288]

That needed to be said twice, Thank You :-)

[Mo1]

BULL

[mindprism.com]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

My interpretation:

Congress shall make no law (ABOUT - HONORING - REQUIRING) a (RELIGIOUS IDEAL OR MECHANISM [CHARITY, MARRIAGE, church, worship, circumcism, etc]) or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

No Charity, no welfare.

[FormerLurker]

Uh, atheists do not believe in any "gods". They do not consider the material world as a "god".

I took rhetorical liberty in my comment. In actuality, they believe themselves to be the equivilant of gods, and think that man answers to no other Being in the Universe other than himself.

By my statement, "atheists see the material world as 'god'", I'm simply alluding to the fact that they see material existance as the ultimate experience, and material gain as the ultimate endeavor.

[Protagoras]

My parents taught me that I could always opt out of anything that went against what I knew to be right. If the teacher did not agree I was to ask for her to call my parents.

Your parents gave you good advice. I'm glad you were strong enough to know when and if to do it.

Most little children don't understand that they are being indoctrinated.

This child could be taught the same thing. Instead she is being taught that if she does not want to do something she not only does not have to do it but she can prevent every one else from doing it too by force.

Hmmm,, different viewpoint than the father has. He thinks that his child is being forced to recite something she has been told is wrong. He sees the force from a different angle.

The correct solution is to abolish government schools and complusary education.

My personal view is that God probably doesn't want people to praise him at the point of a gun.

[Constitution Day]

There's NOT ONE........per John Edwards' office.

Ewwww... Now you'll have bleach and boil your telephone.
Probably disinfecting your ear would be a good idea.

[Dimensio]

Well, your argument would be sound if atheism entailed considering materialism in that fashion, but it does not. Atheism is simply the abscence of belief in deities, any other philisophical judgements are a seperate matter.

[E Rocc]

Yeah well for your information...they were talking about the Government having ONE ESTABLISHED RELIGION....they did not ever say that God should not be included in Government. In fact JUST THE OPPOSITE....the Founding Fathers had a lot to say about GOD....read the papers they wrote! Get your facts straight

Which God? Once you start attempting to answer that question you are venturing into the realm of religion.

Government preferring specific religions (or groups of religions) is what the majority of the Framers wanted to avoid. Some of them for philosophical reasons, some for practical ones (like keeping the colonies unified).

-Eric

[On Alert]

The "big deal" is that this is only one step in a rapid decline of our nation! It seems as though our fredoms TO practice religion are being attacked. I think this decision is a great example of political correctness run amuck.

[RonF]

"That's right Howlin. Charlie Daniels just made a great point on FOX. He said now there MUST be vouchers so parents can send their children to whichever kind of school they want."

Why do you need vouchers to send your kid to whatever school you want? Why can't you do that now?

What vouchers do is make ME fund a school that's NOT ACCOUNTABLE to ME (I can't vote for it's school board, etc.).

[Sir Gawain]

I am a person who believes this country is MAJORITY RULE........that's who.

So Al Gore should've been president since he got more votes, right?

[McGavin999]

That, however, does not extend to allowing Government (certainly NOT an extension of God) to force its will on young people.

Really? And yet that is EXACTLY what the court, a representative of the government, has done.

[marajade]

I bet this is his office number. Which every member of the public has a RIGHT to call since we pay for it. He is a public figure and the public has the RIGHT to tell him they think he is wrong or right if someone agrees with his ruling. The public pays him so he does have to at least listen. Once again, it is the public's RIGHT to call any public servant office to voice their opinion. Fox News is great BTW. If you don't like them, don't watch them. See in this country we have freedom of choice except when judges take those choices away.

[phasma proeliator]

LOL!

I know....

[Spiff]

STATEMENT OF J. MICHAEL SMITH, PRESIDENT OF HOME SCHOOL LEGAL DEFENSE ASSOCIATION - on the declaration by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools is unconstitutional.
"It remains legal to recite the pledge of allegiance in every private home school in America, and I suspect that there will be more parents taking advantage of this than ever before."

As a member of the excellent organization, the Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA), I am thrilled to see such a rapid, accurate official response by the association's leader. And I can assure everyone that no matter what the 9th Circuit Court or even the Supreme Court says, the words "under God" will continue to be said as part of the Pledge of Allegiance as it is recited daily, in perpetuity, in my family's Home School - so help me God.