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To: mindprism.com
"So there ISN'T a crusade to secure a biblical "promised land" for the "chosen people"

I never said anything of the sort. Incidentally, I don't believe the Jews are saved at all. They reject Jesus as the son of God, and like everyone else who rejects His Son, they also reject the Father as well. They can hop up and down on any crusade they want..it is all futile unless they turn to Christ for help. Jesus could come back TOMORROW...what will that have gotten them then? Do you think Christ will acknowledge their Crusade? Or the Muslims? Or for that matter, ANY non-christian? Being a Jew is on a SPIRITUAL level..NOT in someones genetic code. Besides many many Jews do not have records of their lineage back to Abraham anyways, so what does it matter? Isreal is SPIRITUAL. NOT PHYSICAL. Every single person who follows Christ can be called a "Jew". I do support them politically however...they are democratic. They are pro 2nd amendment. Thats enough for me. BUt spiritually, we are as different as black and white. They follow man, whilst I follow Christ.

347 posted on 06/30/2002 8:43:48 AM PDT by Windsong
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To: Windsong
Didn't you say "They are a "live and let live" religious people (unlike MUSLIMS)."?

I was pointing out the incongruency between a 'live and let live' religious philosophy and the historical turmoil of Zionism. But here are some examples of a Jewish movement that has been honored for thier community education efforts by the US Government by establishing "education and sharing day, USA" to coincide with and acknowlege the birthday of the movements leader:

Live and let live?

Q:"Can we really afford to divert time and money to the campaign to transform the gentiles?"

A:"[T]he Rambam uses the expression, "lakuf ("to forcefully influence") all inhabitants of the world to accept the Noachide commands." Although obviously one must do this in a pleasant, gentle, and peaceful way, it still must be done with persistence. If you have already tried several times, try again nevertheless. We frequently see that although people are sometimes spoken to five times, they do not change until they hear it a sixth time!"

Q:"Will Moshiach come entirely by our efforts on pulling individual Jews out of golus, or through our work in transforming the golus into geulah?"

A:"[I]nfluencing non-Jews to keep their mitzvos, the Seven Noachide Laws... will assist our task of making the world into a dwelling place for G-d, and help bring about the arrival of Moshiach."

Sounds to me like people want "One religion for me, and THIS religion for you" and are on a crusade to change the world not by convincing people, but by insistance, demonization and propaganda methods.

Live and let live, sure. Note: Once a religion enters politics and/or aquires a social agenda, especially an aggressive one, it is fair game for criticism and denounciation. It enters the court of public opinion.

348 posted on 06/30/2002 12:01:46 PM PDT by mindprism.com
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