(Vanity) Explain to me why it's "OK" for Israel to have settlements on The West Bank?

My Mind ^ | June 25th, 2002 | Johnny Shear

[Johnny Shear]

This is an honest question, no offense towards anyone is intended...

I won't try to claim I'm any kind of scholar on the subject of Isreal Settlements but I have done a bit of research on the subject. Yet, one question still remains...

I can't justify the Isreal Settlements in The West Bank and Gaza...In my own mind, anyway...

As far as I can tell, Isreal officially justifies these settlements based on the fact that they lay claim to Gaza and the West Bank due to defeating Arab aggressors in the 1967 war. And, Isreal is still technically at war with some Arab states so they can continue occupying these areas...

What I don't understand is how they justify the settlements. Occupation is one thing (Based on protecting themselves against an aggressor) but settlements are something completely different (In my opinion, anyway).

If anyone can educate me, I know Freepers can. And as a bonus, if anyone can supply information or sources on how the Palestinians "See Things", that would be great. (In the spirit of "Two sides to every story").

[Johnny Shear]

Outstanding answer okie, it explains a lot of things (Specifically my basic reason for starting this thread), thank you very much.

[patriot5186]

If you really want to know the heart of the matter buy and read the book "From Time Immemorial" by Joan Peters. Awesome book that strips away the propaganda using that powerful antidote - the truth!

[tabsternager]

Japan and Germany, to name two.

[Dec31,1999]

I've never read anything about Eisenhower lying awake at night trying to figure out how to deal with Muslim terrorists.

That's because 757's had not yet been invented.

[crystalk]

Not only civil, but true.

The Israeli title to every inch of the West Bank is far better than the title of Anglo-Americans to West Point, Washington DC, or Valley Forge.

Only the fact that US western "settlers" are still more powerful than those of Zimbabwe, enables either you or me to remain in this country.

And only Israel's heretofore greater power enables Jews to remain in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem-- OR in the so-called "settlements," to which Jews have just the same rights, no more or less, than any other spot in Israel.

If your actions agreed with your ideology, you would have given up your settlement outside the European homeland of your race, and returned to Eurotrashland long ago, where your ideas would BTW be more welcome.

[SteamshipTime]

That's what the Bolsheviks said to the Mensheviks.

And the National Socialists said to the Christian Democrats.

Follow the herd pappy!

[SteamshipTime]

Name one Muslim terrorist plot that was dismantled by the FBI or CIA prior to the 1970's.

[Johnny Shear]

If you really want to know the heart of the matter buy and read the book "From Time Immemorial" by Joan Peters. Awesome book that strips away the propaganda using that powerful antidote - the truth!

Is that a truly unbiased source? No offense intended towards you or Free Republic, because most people have the same opinions that I do, but sometimes it's hard to find truly unbiased material here.

Which is hard to do anywhere, now that I think about it...

[dennisw]

As with Pharoah, the enemies of G-d's chosen people ignore G-d's adminition at their peril.

Oy!
These days the only religion that behaves as if it deserves to rule all is Islam. They are the ones with the superiority complex. Just look at how they behave. The Jewish concept of "choseness" is that it's an invited burden.

Jews as "chosen" is nothing compared to the Islamic drive for domination meaning they feel superior.

[spqrzilla9]

I don't recall a single Muslim terrorist attack targeting U.S. citizens prior to the 1970's.

You should read more history. For an example, Sirhan Sirhan.

[SteamshipTime]

1(?). 2(?). 3(?).

Any others?

(Those Palestinians have always hated liberal Democrats.)

[Johnny Shear]

where your ideas would BTW be more welcome.

You have no earthly idea what my "Ideas" are. You can't possibly have any idea. That is simple fact. But yet you comment on them as if you do.

Thus our problem.

I commented on your actions (comments) here in this thread, not what I think you think.

Thus my justification.

[SteamshipTime]

How about Molotov cocktails?

Or VX nerve gas?

Or mustard gas?

Or botulism toxin?

Or ammonium nitrate?

Or congealed dish soap and gasoline?

Or public transportation?

Or dynamite and timed blasting caps?

Or rapid fire machine guns?

Or McDonnell Douglas turbo-props with no pre-flight screening?

[patriot5186]

well, finding a truly unbiased source anywhere is very difficult. the best you can hope for is that the facts are straight.

the interesting part of this book is that Miss Peters started it out to investigate the plight of the "Arab refugees" - even meeting with the PLO in the early 70s only to do an about face after confronting the facts.

[SteamshipTime]

Ask the Likud-controlled government for a business license. Let me know their response.

[crystalk]

Error, mistakenness, and opposition to America's interests in the world and those of her best ally, Israel, can never be justified. There is no justification. Just admit you are wrong and come off it. The FReepers are on my side anyway.

[SteamshipTime]

Islamist terrorist had no ability to strik the Us int eh 1950's. There were virtually no Muslims here. Ron

Any strikes against US embassies? US multinational corp's? Did they have access to: ammonium nitrate, gasoline and dish soap allowed to congeal, VX nerve gas, botulism toxin, dynamite and blasting caps, machine guns, unscreened flights on turboprops?

PS. Subhumans from your last comment. I can see why you are not religious. Cute use of Hitleresque language.So you agree that the Palestinians are human? I don't. I think they're animals. The Israelis are human, at least. Unfortunately, they don't respect property rights. Why do you think so many Jews remain in the West rather than move to Israel so their superior numbers can overwhelm the Palestinians?

[Johnny Shear]

Error, mistakenness, and opposition to America's interests in the world and those of her best ally, Israel, can never be justified. There is no justification. Just admit you are wrong and come off it.

"Wrong" about WHAT? Asking an honest question based on something I truly did not understand????

The FReepers are on my side anyway.

And that's susposed to matter WHY??? (no offense to any Freeper just a complement to independent thinkers). And besides, I've not TAKEN a "Side".

How about you just admit to being a preachy, assumming DICK?

Jeeeze...

[SteamshipTime]

What are their demands?

[SteamshipTime]

And last but not least, rdb3, who accuses me of "not being man enough" and objecting as "nonresponsive." Brother, when you are able to string together a syllogism, I'll be willing to debate you.