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Email: The Future of Free Republic
Email | 06/25/02 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 06/25/2002 3:42:21 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

The following email is being circulated to our members by various disgruntled former FReepers:

Subject: The Future of Our Free Republic

Dear Fellow Free Republic Member,

Many of us at Free Republic are distressed by the extraordinary level of censorship that has been so obviously going on. It is very obvious that individual posts, entire threads, and the entire work of members who have been highly regarded are disappearing into a Memory Hole.

Scores of us have organized an e-mail network that is independent of the communication controls presently, and sadly, being used at our Free Republic. We have carefully documented the unmistakeable evidence that most of the posts, threads, and posters that are vaporized completely are overwhelmingly targeted for their political stance on the Right. These are not Leftwingers. These are not even Middle-of-the-Roaders. These are not disruptors. These are not foul-mouthed delinquents. These are fellow patriots on the Right who disagree with the controllers of FR on specific issues that are now hotly debated by the Right. We have documented that FR will parade before you, as if to hide all of the great posters whose work has been destroyed, a straw-man delinquent that has been banned. This is deceptive.

Treating these fellow patriots on the Right so shabbily is not right. As shabbily as those banned into the Memory Hole are being treated, the most shabbily treated of all are all of the good folks on Free Republic themselves. We came here for honest debate. Free Republic advertised itself as a Forum for honest debate. Without that honest debate...everything at Free Republic becomes shabby.

We can do much better. As a measure of how intense the simmering feelings have gotten among members on this unjustifiable use of deleting, censoring, and banning please link to the following thread. You will notice that one simple and sincere plea from one of our finest members has spontaneously touched off a prairie fire of approximately 500 posts in a mere 18 hours. If it isn't Memory Holed this thread may shoot into the thousands.

If you would like to receive anonymous updates of information concerning the hundreds of Freepers who have networked via e-mail to restore the wonderful honest debate to Free Republic, just drop an e-mail of just one or two words if you like for extreme brevity to:

StopCensoringUs@hotmail.com

And, here's that link back to the snowballing thread at FR:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/704701/posts

Thank you so much for giving your thought to this vital matter for our Internet home.

Sincerely, StopCensoringUs@hotmail.com



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To: Roscoe
"You're confusing dissenting with dissembling."

How so? I do not, nor have I ever, posted to any of these sites you're moaning about. I have also never been booted from FR, nor had a post I know of pulled. If you're happy with the FR censorship, more power to you.

601 posted on 06/25/2002 2:42:50 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: LarryLied
Democrats had more than a two to one majority in the House under Carter. Those are the numbers needed to get things accomplished.

Oh we got a lot accomplished..Panama Canal Giveaway,21% Interest rate, 444 Days Held Hostage,, want More ?
602 posted on 06/25/2002 2:43:14 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: ScreamingFist
If you're happy with the FR censorship

You're still confusing dissenting with dissembling.

603 posted on 06/25/2002 2:44:17 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: ScreamingFist
Darn Jim, sorry I made the mistake of disagreeing. It won't happen again.

You better not let it happen again. I am watching you.

604 posted on 06/25/2002 2:45:14 PM PDT by carenot
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To: Ratatoskr
Eh? How long since you've been there? And how long did you stay?

Oh, I look in now and again.

Now, you would have to have quite thick skin to be posting contary to the jihad gang on LF, and would be an endless firefight. Plus, as I said, from the conversations on the site it's obvious that people disagreeing with that particular set aren't meant to be invited in. So the site does tend to suppress views that aren't pro-palestinian, for example.

Then you have the fact that the "cadre", the folks forming the initial backbone of the site, are types who would be at home on VanguardNews - the "vanguard language manual" with its rich set of anti-Jewish epithets like "kikes" and "hymie" isn't yet fully implemented but posters like Madrussian are getting there.

The problem with all that stuff is of course that the general tone of the site will attract more of that kind, and it will keep others away. Normal people usually don't want to invade a lair of frothing jihadists to argue with them. The converse is true, however - frothing jihadists will invade a normal site at first opportunity.

605 posted on 06/25/2002 2:45:42 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Cachelot
Meaning that the censorship imposed by nazi mob rule is going full blast at that site, and that they will not let up before booted off since they're not there to debate you in the first place.

Oh, nonsense. They're easy to ignore, and there aren't that many.

Grownups can handle living in a truly free society. In many ways, LF is an experiment remarkably akin to what a real-life libertarian society would be like. And I'm not a libertarian. Ultimately, I personally don't think libertarianism can fly (for long) - I much prefer the freedom of a Constitutional Republic. But one like the founders built, not like what we have today.

But that said, Liberty Forum, while not perfect, ain't half bad. Just tune out the ones you don't want to listen to - and stay off of threads where they hang out - and it's quite an enjoyable place to be.

606 posted on 06/25/2002 2:45:48 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Rowdee
My response was in relation to your comment that 'in all fairness, and something about free speech...as though the forum's owners set up the invitation system to control free speech.

You may have missed the subsequent posts where it was explained that "invitation only" was only during the beta testing. It will be a "free speach" site open to all in the future.

Might be a good idea to explain. Sending E Mails to registrants simply stating Please keep in mind that LibertyForum is currently an invitation only site. If you have not been specifically invited to LF, you will not be able to access the site. If you registered as the result of an invitation, you may have limited access until we verify and activate your account. doesn't explain LF's status very well.

607 posted on 06/25/2002 2:48:36 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: Huck
Absolutely Hilarious!
608 posted on 06/25/2002 2:49:29 PM PDT by ez2muz
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To: Glutton; sinkspur
Haha. An impatient cowpoke that dresses up poodles and talks baby talk to them.
609 posted on 06/25/2002 2:49:39 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Cachelot
Now, you would have to have quite thick skin to be posting contary to the jihad gang on LF, and would be an endless firefight

Fortunately, I have skin like a rhinoceros and 'dead meat is my specialty'.

610 posted on 06/25/2002 2:50:05 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: Cachelot
The problem with all that stuff is of course that the general tone of the site will attract more of that kind, and it will keep others away.

Possibly. Personally, I think the refer-a-buddy system is what does that. The bigger danger, IMO, is that an open group will attract more of that kind and the opposite kind, and devolve into a huge flame war. Which might not be so bad if it were an on-topic flame war. That's what the ratings system is supposed to circumvent, but we'll have to see.

611 posted on 06/25/2002 2:50:35 PM PDT by Ratatoskr
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To: Admin Moderator
We have come up with a workaround for the issue that works in most cases. When we pull a thread, currently the comments on it still remain in the self-search records of those involved...

Now that is a fabulous workaround!

As I am sure you remember, that was one of my "hot buttons" on that infamous "Why Bother?" thread. :)

612 posted on 06/25/2002 2:50:54 PM PDT by Seeking the truth
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To: Jim Robinson
Sometimes when I have some time to kill, I will enter "anti Free Republic" into a search engine and go slumming. Those "anti-Freep" sites and bulletin boards seem to come and go. But it is like you say, they apparently spend all their free time lurking at Free Republic and when they find a "morsel" to share with their buddies, such as a thread that involves some flaming, why they will scurry back to their holes and share it excitedly with each other. It's as if their entire world involves wallowing in other people's troubles. I have family members like that who are always prying for dirt, always looking for faults in others so that they might themselves feel superior to somebody. It's rather pathetic.
613 posted on 06/25/2002 2:51:02 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Roscoe
"You're still confusing dissenting with dissembling.

I thought my position was pretty clear, at least JimRob thought so. You're the one speaking in tongues.

614 posted on 06/25/2002 2:57:42 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: Jefferson Adams
They're easy to ignore, and there aren't that many.

Have you counted them lately?

Anyway, many folks would be able to go in and tune them out, or ripping them a few new ones. But MOST people don't want to even go near them, far less argue with them. Most people on a board are lurkers, and most of them will go away rather than have to deal with people like The Skunk, who isn't only a nazi but certifiable.

The jihad group aren't there for the debate. They're there for the recruiting, sucking in the ones who like what they read.

615 posted on 06/25/2002 2:58:01 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Jefferson Adams
"Just tune out the ones you don't want to listen to - and stay off of threads where they hang out - and it's quite an enjoyable place to be."

Kind of like how I lurk on FR lately.

616 posted on 06/25/2002 2:59:18 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: Jefferson Adams
Ain't saying LF's perfect. But I like it :)

Almost! I do like it and other forums.

617 posted on 06/25/2002 3:00:53 PM PDT by carenot
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To: mamelukesabre
An impatient cowpoke that dresses up poodles and talks baby talk to them.

Idiot-savant.

618 posted on 06/25/2002 3:01:52 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Jim Robinson
Please take a second and hear my gripe. My complaint is the FR Chat room (off site, and not an anti-FR site). I used my "spam" email when I joined and boy did it recieve a ton of junk mail. I have not been able to log into the site to chat (for some reason??) but my spam email sure took a beating. I get letters like you posted to all kinds of nut case emails. I just delete them about once a month. I don't see how anyone can bear to use their real email anymore. I think it wise to warn the other posters the danger of using off site FR groups.
619 posted on 06/25/2002 3:04:31 PM PDT by LowOiL
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To: Jim Robinson
Thank you for not giving out our real emails. Thank you thank you thank you....
620 posted on 06/25/2002 3:05:18 PM PDT by LowOiL
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