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VAN DAM vs. Westerfield, 6-24-02: Televised proceedings a far cry from O.J. fiasco!
Union Tribune ^ | June 24, 2002 | Alex Roth

Posted on 06/24/2002 9:06:32 AM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: jacquej
I appreciate your reply...but disagree with your idea that I'm 'emotional' about it. I have had to file a missing persons report, so I have tremendous empathy for parents who have to do that.

I was curious if you had been following it ..and what you thought about all the emtionally laden words, rumors, innuendos etc., about the vd's over the past few months while some of us just wanted to focus on the crime itself and were called vd apologists for it. Defending the constitution is more important than worrying about a joint or consensual extra-marital affairs too.

Defending the constitution IS more important than personal agendas...but what is ALSO important is defending victims of crime, stopping child porn..etc., and even if DW IS foudn innocent of murder, he should not be let go on child porn charges if jury sees that he had child porn.

541 posted on 06/24/2002 6:58:37 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: UCANSEE2; All
Brenda did say that Damon wasn't happy about his little girl growing up so fast

What has bothered me about that statement is when in their short bar conversation did this get brought up and how?

542 posted on 06/24/2002 6:59:19 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: Karson
Next experiment for you......get a steam cleaner...use it..empty it....see how long it stays wet.

Thank you for you service!

543 posted on 06/24/2002 7:00:37 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: jacquej
Isn't it also one of those "anti-death penalty" platforms, that an innocent person may be put to death? If it turns out that DW is NOT guilty, it makes quite a case for those that would like to see the death penalty abolished. Quite a little nugget to use, considering the case is being followed so widely.

The death penalty in the case is the biggest reason that I'm skeptical of "circumstantial" evidence. Look at it this way - if we were told that DW never had his MH in the area, that it was always in storage, always locked and THEN Danielle's blood and hair were found in it, that's circumstantial evidence that would really matter to me, if I was on the jury.
544 posted on 06/24/2002 7:01:49 PM PDT by NatureGirl
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To: Karson
You could be on to something with the steam cleaner - just a thought - did they check the steam cleaner or the vaccuum for any of those sparklies - would look bad if they found any in there - since she had only gotten the outfit that day.
545 posted on 06/24/2002 7:02:18 PM PDT by mommya
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To: cyncooper
Here's reasonable doubt:

unexplained shell casing found in the girl's room. The PROSECUTION failed to mention this during their turn.

unidentified fingerprints in VD home (none of DW's) The Prosecution failed to mention this during their turn.

blood in VD home (with no DNA/prints of DW ever having been in the house). THIS the prosecution brought up.

multiple sexual partners of the VD's, including IN THE VD HOME DURING/AFTER A HALLOWEEN PARTY. THIS had to be dragged out of the VD's after a drunk Barb bragged about it. Sexual deviants come in many forms (go ahead and flame me).

Prosecution better have DEVASTATING evidence against DW before Feldman starts his turn. All this circumstantial stuff wouldn't cut it for me, if I were on a death penalty jury.

546 posted on 06/24/2002 7:06:41 PM PDT by demsux
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To: Rheo
Next experiment for you......get a steam cleaner...use it..empty it....see how long it stays wet. Thank you for you service!

Rheo, I don't have one, but none other than FresnoDA, himself, posted on a thread that he has one and the receptacle never dries out completely.

547 posted on 06/24/2002 7:07:05 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Rheo
What has bothered me about that statement is when in their short bar conversation did this get brought up and how?

Good point. It's not exactly the next thing you would say after hello, is it?

Next experiment for you..

Assignment accepted. Results pending. :)

548 posted on 06/24/2002 7:07:32 PM PDT by Karson
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To: Rheo
That statement is puzzling. Of course a statement similar to that could be very innocent - my dad used to say he was gonna give me "little pills" to keep me his little girl - and I'm always amazed (and a bit saddened at times) to see how fast my little boy is growing. That said - if I was talking to someone - I might say something like - "yeah - my kids are growing up so fast - they don't stay little for long" or alot of variations on that - but why say that my husband didn't like it that my daughter was growing up - it just strikes me as odd.
549 posted on 06/24/2002 7:08:29 PM PDT by mommya
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To: NatureGirl
I am not at all opposed to the death penalty, by the way, and feel that many who are guilty way beyond a reasonable doubt have been allowed to manipulate the system to defeat their sentence.

That said, there just isn't strong enough evidence here YET for me to find him guilty of anything but violating the community rules regarding his motor home, and annoying his neighbors!

550 posted on 06/24/2002 7:10:33 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; cyncooper; MizSterious
Thanks Kim.

Cyncooper's comment was to question what MIZs meant when she stated this :

Frankly, I consider people who seek to bypass the justice system simply because they think they know who did it (in any crime) to be enemies of country as much as any other terrorist.

I cannot answer for her. But I can answer for myself.

I believe that the statement fits elements of this case. When a Judge, Prosecutor, Law enforcement official decides that without benefit of TRIAL or EVIDENCE; Without following our SYSTEM OF JUSTICE and our CONSTITUTION; that they are now the POWER and they can decide who is GUILTY or who is not GUILTY; Then those people are the enemy of OUR CONSTITUTION, our LEGAL SYSTEM, OUR COUNTRY, and are the same as TERRORISTS, because they would MURDER innocent along with guilty for their own selfish purposes.

551 posted on 06/24/2002 7:10:34 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Mrs.Liberty
Per RR, Damon has been banned from the courtroom by Judge Mudd. He has been intimidating DW when DW is entering the courtroom.

It was only a matter of time..I'm not surprised at all. There was a guy here in kc that actually jumped over the divder and grabbed the defendant. he was gonna kick beeeehind. Of course there was more evidence..ie:body parts in the guys backyard.

552 posted on 06/24/2002 7:11:07 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Karson
We have 4 daughters and 5 granddaughters.

Well, you certainly would be familiar with what I am talking about! There are fluffy things or sparkles or some such on just about everything. :)

Brenda did say Danielle's carpet was steam cleaned a couple of days? before she disappeared...

I don't think it was Danielle's room but someone else may know for sure.

553 posted on 06/24/2002 7:11:33 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: mommya
but why say that my husband didn't like it that my daughter was growing up - it just strikes me as odd.

Because it was in the context of saying that Damon was taking Danielle to a father/daughter dance. Exactly the sort of small talk one engages in with someone they don't know very well----"Oh, my husband is taking our daughter to her first dance. It's a father/daughter dance. He thinks she growing up too fast." Sounds like parental chitchat to me.

554 posted on 06/24/2002 7:15:56 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I do not understand the law in California regarding the child porn issue, and have not seen any evidence yet, so really have no opinion regarding whether he is guilty as charged or not. I will be waiting to see this evidence, and will make up my mind then. The PH statements, and the hearsay on the net and in the media do not do it for me.

I know others feel differently about this, and certainly they are entitled to their opinion, as long they don't try to pick fights with me for not agreeing with them.

555 posted on 06/24/2002 7:16:00 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: UCANSEE2
Brenda did say that Damon wasn't happy about his little girl growing up so fast. Isn't this something that a father that molests his child and doesn't want her growing up because she will know it's wrong, says?

You got to be kidding!!!HOw many times have I said or others have said that their children grow up too fast. I dont think you can interpret that statement as any evidence of wrong doing on the part of Damon. I will state for the record that I am suspicious of the actions of Damon but not from that statement.

556 posted on 06/24/2002 7:16:09 PM PDT by cynicalman
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To: UCANSEE2
Why did the judges allow the trial to continue?
557 posted on 06/24/2002 7:17:05 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Karson
You sure are fickle. A minute ago I was a better investigator than SDPD and now the sparkles are another 'none important' item. Make up your mind. ;-)

You are probably right about that. I see a possibility in something, then I can later see flaws.

You are a good 'detail' or investigator. It bothered me because I had read about the sparkles, and heard nothing since in the trial about them. Your comment was good, you saw something that could have been a clue that others didn't.

It may still be. But, in the "REASONABLE" category, I could see why they would be there, and not only might not mean anything, but would be darn hard to prove anything about, even if they did.

So, they could be a clue, but the only way they will be able to prove anything is if that OUTFIT is not in the closet (or drawer). That is where my mind has settled on the 'sparkles'.

558 posted on 06/24/2002 7:17:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: cyncooper
Not sure I want to hear about FresnoDA's recepticle that never dries out!!:-)

One experiment less for Karson to do now.

559 posted on 06/24/2002 7:17:18 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: cyncooper
I don't think it was Danielle's room but someone else may know for sure.

I'll double check that, just to make sure, but I think I read it in the transcripts over the weekend. When I find it again, I'll post to you whether I was mistaken or not.

560 posted on 06/24/2002 7:18:03 PM PDT by Karson
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