VAN DAM vs. Westerfield, 6-24-02: Televised proceedings a far cry from O.J. fiasco!

Union Tribune ^ | June 24, 2002 | Alex Roth

[UCANSEE2]

I'm tellling you, there is no way dw had an affair with bvd

According to the swinger code, you do not have AFFAIRS, you just have SEX.

[Freedom2specul8]

WHo was it that said "the police doesn't have to tell the public" anything? The police can lie to deceive the perp?

[John Jamieson]

There is no case against DW?

[Freedom2specul8]

Dems didn't accuse dw of being a swinger..just having a flinger!! ;-)

[John Jamieson]

Yes, but I'd have to kill ya!

[Freedom2specul8]

secret hearing...probably going over what feldman's gonig to do...crossing t's and dotting eyes.

[UCANSEE2]

..so what are we to believe?

Well, to start, let's say we don't believe the PROVEN LIARS, and we believe the PROVEN NON-LIARS.

Where would that leave the case ?

[Jaded]

Kimmie, Kimmie, Kimmie, sweetie, all of these witness with scant evidence of Danielle are Prosecution witnesses. They compiled their evidence list much earlier. Duzek (Dozeoff) only points out the "evidence" that relates to Danielle (IE: DW's guilt) in order to further their case. Feldman has the same evidence lists the prosecution does. He has an obligation to bring out the fact that the other 99 of 100 pieces of evidence were ignored. This is exceedingly relevant. Much the same way the 5 unknown fingerprints on the alleged entrance/exits were largely ignored by prosecution. They had to bring it out so they wouldn't look like they were hiding something. Today it was proven they've tried.

So far the evidence that would make some of us scratch our heads and pick up our comfy chairs and head to the other side have NOT materialized. It is not there.

Where is the rest of the evidence? The dogs? The porn? The bug guy? The solid evidence? Dozeoff has 2 days by his own calendar.

As far as I'm concerned, I didn't do it. I know you're adamant I did.

[MizSterious]

"They have the same feelings about dw defenders..there's just a bickering back and forth..between 2 groups."

I had promised myself I would not answer another single one of your posts, but I couldn't let this one go. I just couldn't.

Those of us here asking the questions about the prosecution's shaky case are not defending anyone, and certainly not DW. We don't even know the guy.

What we are defending is our American justice system--the way it was intended to work, not the way it's being twisted in this case we're watching now. In our country, we were told from grade school on that we don't execute innocent people. Of course, we have, but the principle is a good one: the prosecution must prove their case with strong evidence before this can happen. Beyond a reasonable doubt. By reasonable, I don't mean any "what if" but good, honest, reasonable doubt. If the citizens don't demand that this criteria be met, our justice system and the legal protections that go with it will go the way of the 2nd Amendment in the liberal states.

By proof, I mean something more than innuendo, rumor, speculation, winks and nudges. They must prove their case with good, hard evidence. The blood on the jacket might approach that criteria, unless Feldman can find a reasonable (not just any) explanation. DW's tissue under her fingernails would have done the trick, also. But grocery lists, newspaper ads (that everyone in the SD country area received), sweating, cooperating with police, and a few stray hairs that could have been cross contamination or carried in on someone's shoes should not rise to the level of a guilty verdict in a death penalty case.

If it does--and it's not impossible that it does--then our beloved country and its Constitution is in trouble. Frankly, I consider people who seek to bypass the justice system simply because they think they know who did it (in any crime) to be enemies of country as much as any other terrorist.

[Jaded]

Shezza, that's what is known as "The Ned Forum". (TNF) Ned is their leader. They follow him. Most of them hang upon his every word. He has long stated there should never have been a trial, just a lynch mob.

[Mercat]

I ditto that. I watched a bit of it today (home sick) and it did appear that the lawyers know what they're doing.

[UCANSEE2]

WHo was it that said "the police doesn't have to tell the public" anything? The police can lie to deceive the perp?

It was THE POLICE ! These LAW ENFORCERS, the UPHOLDERS of the LAWS, EXAMPLE of the LAW, can not only LIE, they can actually COMMIT CRIMES, ANY CRIME, drug-dealing, murder, stealing JUST TO DECIEVE THE PERP!!

[Freedom2specul8]

You're going to call dw innocent cuz the sex-tuplets i mean sex fiends were afraid to admit to smoking a joint?

[fnord]

hear hear

Well said. I am so danged tired of being referred to as a 'DW defender' when I just want to evidence of guilt.

[John Jamieson]

DA is really going to have rush through the "child porno", and "irrational motorhome trip", to make it in two days. Why 2 and not 3? Are they running out of tea leaves?

[Freedom2specul8]

Jaded, all opinions count, including yours. Doesn't mean you're right...

[theirjustdue]

" This is exceedingly relevant. Much the same way the 5 unknown fingerprints on the alleged entrance/exits were largely ignored by prosecution. They had to bring it out so they wouldn't look like they were hiding something. Today it was proven they've tried."

And let's not forget the 22 cal. shell casing that they forgot to mention until Feldman brought it up.

Could there be a pattern here? My guess is, the jury is wondering the same thing right about now and the defense hasn't even come up to bat yet.

[Jaded]

Really, it's less about defending Stealth Ninja Dave and more about what was wrong with the investigation from the begining. Most of us have said "Show us he was with her in her room or at Dehesa, DNA under the fingernails for example and we would gladly see him locked up." We have questioned a number of things from the begining. So should you. Things have never looked right in this, and the farther along the trial goes the more questions are raised. Surely, you see that.

[Freedom2specul8]

Hey, I didn't call you a dw defender... no, there's only a couple that I've called that to and they know they are. The ones that called me a VD apologist. do you think they should have done that?

[fnord]

can't believe DA has been holding the amount of convincing evidence needed, just waiting for the last day. I expect some impact evidence the next few days, but it is too late to start building a case, IMO. Feldman will tear this all down in 2 weeks.