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VAN DAM vs. Westerfield, 6-24-02: Televised proceedings a far cry from O.J. fiasco!
Union Tribune ^ | June 24, 2002 | Alex Roth

Posted on 06/24/2002 9:06:32 AM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; All
Tapelifts on 25 pairs of DW shoes. All fibers except 1 came from DW home. Doesn't know if shoes DW wore on 2/1 were tested
381 posted on 06/24/2002 4:19:07 PM PDT by nycgal
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To: spectre
My major contribution to the case!
382 posted on 06/24/2002 4:19:28 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
23. "fitted sheet" Danielle's hair on the fitted sheet of the master bedroom's bed. So Danielle got into DW's bed and got under the covers while her mom was downstairs selling GS cookies? Right. And Pigs fly, Layla's vicious, and the earth is flat.

Hang on a sec...these similar hairs which were collected because they could possibly belong to Danielle were then sent to the DNA analysis lab. And this was proven to be NOT DANIELLE's HAIR.

383 posted on 06/24/2002 4:20:00 PM PDT by shezza
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To: theirjustdue
It's nice to read more perspectives than just ours..found a nother point I had forgotten about.

http://www.websleuths.com/dcf/DCForumID4/727.html

21. "RE: DW's soooooo guilty." Layla is gonna be a big role player in helping Danielle's killer get the needle. Even though she was a 10 month old puppy too immature to guard and protect Danielle she will in her death help her. Brenda testified that Danielle, while in her PJs, liked to wrestle with Layla. They laid the groundwork for how the hairs got onto the PJs. And from the PJs to the comforter, RV carpet. And from the comforter to the dryer lint. This indicates Danielle was wrapped inside the comforter for transportation to the RV. While being wrapped in the comforter the hairs from her PJs transferred to the comforter. This is why so many hairs were found in the dryer lint.


One thing about this I would question would be...was she nude when she was removed from her home. (hence the pj s on the floor w/blood on the left sleeve.
384 posted on 06/24/2002 4:20:49 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: nycgal
Good point! He could have cleaned his shoes before he got in the mh, after or got rid of them.. ??
385 posted on 06/24/2002 4:21:47 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: shezza
these similar hairs which were collected because they could possibly belong to Danielle were then sent to the DNA analysis lab. And this was proven to be NOT DANIELLE's HAIR.

Hang on a sec..

386 posted on 06/24/2002 4:24:13 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: HoneyBoo
More like Damon.
387 posted on 06/24/2002 4:25:04 PM PDT by Jaded
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To: shezza; All
The words "similiar" and "possibly" take on a new meaning in this trial...Pathetic, isn't it!

See you all tomorrow...be good.

sw

388 posted on 06/24/2002 4:25:09 PM PDT by spectre
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To: theirjustdue
Here's a thought: What was DW's carpet like before the remodel?

And re feldman getting mean...Well, before the blood, everything could be chalked up to coincidence or police incompetence. The blood, however, almost necessarily has to be part of a frame up if DW didn't do it. Feldman should act as if he believes that is the case. He should be mad at a bunch of perjuring fabricators of evidence if they are framing his client. Also, this woman's choice not to compare bleached hairs to BVD or the dark-bleach-dark hairs to Denise or any of the other revellers looks like a railroad. Especially since she said she was looking for BVD hairs, to exclude her. Maybe they did compare them and didn't like the results.

I hope Feldman makes a point of the prosecutions use of language: "similar" and now "matched" which I think means the same as similar.

389 posted on 06/24/2002 4:26:20 PM PDT by Yeti
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
http://www.websleuths.com/dcf/DCForumID4/727.html

Ya know, this group that latches on to innuendo and flies from "If A=B, then C=D" really scares me. I've always hoped the justice system was for that purpose: justice ...which comes from the word just (1. right or fair; 2. righteous; 3. deserved; 4. lawful; 5. proper; 6. correct or true; 7. accurate or exact).

390 posted on 06/24/2002 4:28:21 PM PDT by shezza
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Brenda testified that Danielle, while in her PJs, liked to wrestle with Layla. They laid the groundwork for how the hairs got onto the PJs. And from the PJs to the comforter, RV carpet.

One thing about this I would question would be...was she nude when she was removed from her home. (hence the pj s on the floor w/blood on the left sleeve.

That'd make no sense. If you're suggesting that all of Layla's hairs in the MH & everywhere else, were from the PJs because Danielle wrestled, she would have to have her PJs with her when she left the house & wrapped in the comforter & carpet.

If the PJs are in her room, and she was taken nude, then where did all of Layla's hair come from?

Were those the PJs she was wearing or weren't they? I always thought she left/was abducted with PJs on. When everyone was looking for her, they said she was last seen in pajamas, but they're laying in her room.

391 posted on 06/24/2002 4:34:31 PM PDT by sbnsd
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To: shezza
They have the same feelings about dw defenders..there's just a bickering back and forth..between 2 groups.
392 posted on 06/24/2002 4:34:37 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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"One thing about this I would question would be...was she nude when she was removed from her home. (hence the pj s on the floor w/blood on the left sleeve."

It would seem that if the pajamas she was wearing were inside out in her room that she wasn't wearing any. It doesn't seem likely to me that all the dog hair the witness described would fall off her bare skin alone. At least I know if I wrestle with my full grown lab, at the peak of his shedding, that I don't have that much hair clinging to my skin. JMO

393 posted on 06/24/2002 4:35:56 PM PDT by theirjustdue
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To: shezza
Well.....................................

A long time ago I had to get a lawyer and go to court.

I was talking to my lawyer and I told him that what was going on wasn't FAIR, it wasn't RIGHT.

He told me, if you think what goes on in court has anything to do with what is FAIR, or RIGHT, you have A LOT TO LEARN!

394 posted on 06/24/2002 4:36:00 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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Kim, please give me your thoughts regarding how a "bleeding" Danielle was transfered from the VD house to the MH, leaving no blood in between.
395 posted on 06/24/2002 4:37:03 PM PDT by demsux
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
From the pubic region of a human body. LOL
396 posted on 06/24/2002 4:37:09 PM PDT by Jaded
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To: sbnsd
If the perp removed the PJ's from Danielle prior to removing her from the home, and she struggled, or if he held her close to him, here we go..secondary transfer..code words from witness. Primary transfer: the hair was from layla to danielle. Secondary from the hair was transferredd from danielle to the perp.
397 posted on 06/24/2002 4:39:01 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Yeti
Good question and some very good points, IMO.

Actually, right now, I feel very much as you do about it, Yeti.
398 posted on 06/24/2002 4:40:37 PM PDT by theirjustdue
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To: sbnsd
Were those the PJs she was wearing or weren't they? I always thought she left/was abducted with PJs on. When everyone was looking for her, they said she was last seen in pajamas, but they're laying in her room.

Not only that, but when Damon said this, and GRANDMA held up a pair of them for the press, Damon got very upset.

It is as if someone knew she was nude, but wanted the press to think she was in her PJ's. That is why he reacted when grandma held them (or a pair just like them) up.

Brings up another weird question. If grandma held up Danielle's PJ's, how did police take them for EVIDENCE? Wouldn't grandma taking them contaminate them?

I know the VD's said that the PJ's grandma held up were a 'spare set for neighbors', but were they?

399 posted on 06/24/2002 4:43:40 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
I had the same experience, he said "truth has NOTHING to do with it"; he was really good too.
400 posted on 06/24/2002 4:45:20 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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