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I fear the mass murder of tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent American civilians in a destruction of a major city is the only thing that can shake America out of the self-delusion it is now under.

WAKE UP AMERICA! Islam intends to conquer and dominate the world and the US is the primary impediment to this conquest. Muslim radicals have been brainwashed into believing if they fight in the name of Jihad and fight to expand the dominion of Islam, they are rewarded eternal bliss in Paradise, along with their 72 black-eyed virgins. This makes the war, not a war of material benefits but a holy calling. This means there is NOTHING we can offer short of complete capitulation that can appease these Muslim opponents. The takeover has already begun. Europe already has over 25 million Muslims within its midst and will have the majority of its below-30 population as Muslim within an astonishing 20-25 years! Do the liberal Europeans honestly think they can force these Muslims to continue paying high taxes to finance their retirements? Europe's future is seen by what the Middle East is today and what is occuring in Israel. America's future is seen by what Europe is today.

Of course, political correctness being what it is, and the strangulation of the media and educational institutions by the liberal left so overwhelming, that an enormous amount of blood and suffering will be needed before Americans as a whole do what needs to be done to make itself safe from destruction.

This Canadian is frustrated and fearful indeed.

1 posted on 06/24/2002 8:12:32 AM PDT by Edward Watson
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WAKE UP AMERICA! Islam intends to conquer and dominate the world and the US is the primary impediment to this conquest.

No argument there. I'd like to add that the Chinese are alos a factor. They think they can ride the tiger against us for now, but if we fall, will Islam think them less Godless than the West? I think not.

Of course, there are a lot of Chinese, and their government isn't held back by Western scruples, so they would be a formidable adversary for Islam if they decided to be.

2 posted on 06/24/2002 8:27:20 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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3 posted on 06/24/2002 8:33:01 AM PDT by jdogbearhunter
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To: Edward Watson
I fear the mass murder of tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent American civilians in a destruction of a major city is the only thing that can shake America out of the self-delusion it is now under.

Not even that will get them to racially profile. Our government (including, alas, our president), is so politically correct that the only measures it will take will be applied to people across the board, thus guaranteeing inefficient and wasteful use of resources.

4 posted on 06/24/2002 8:38:18 AM PDT by white trash redneck
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OK, I shall spell it out. The decision of the Federal government to pull random checks of airline passengers while boarding, while not by itself a universally bad idea, is at best a poor allocation of resources. The vast majority of people of Arabic extraction, male and female, are not carrying means to disrupt and take over an airliner, but 100% of the terrorists who made such spectacular display of their political opinions on 9/11, and a disproportionate number of those who have attempted other hijackings, have been of the Muslim persuasion, and of predominantly Arabic origin. Therefore, concentrate on the people who are the greatest source of recent air transportation disruptions. Profile. And start it yesterday.
5 posted on 06/24/2002 8:55:11 AM PDT by alloysteel
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This is a battle that will be impossible to win if we do not change our tactics. Radical Islamists are fighting a religious war and target citizens to inspire fear. The US is trying to target INDIVIDUALS using geo politically approved methods. This will never achieve anything. We are using pruning shears when we should be using a chainsaw.
Let's try saturation bombing of Tehran, Riyadh, and Baghdad. Let's give the populous of the nations that oppose us a taste of the same fear that innocent people in the US felt on 9/11. These people need to know that if they continue to allow leaders who support terrorism to run their nations, they will be held just as accountable as the population of Dresden was for supporting the Nazi's.
To hell with world opinion we need to defend ourselves.
6 posted on 06/24/2002 9:02:35 AM PDT by Allrightnow
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On the left there are 2 kinds of people. Those who don't know (usually because of their youth and inexperience) that the social utopia is un-attainable, and those who know, but are so consumed with their lust for personal power that they are prepared to sacrifice everything (including the well being of this country) to get it.

The second group panders to the first, and the next thing you know, you have Noam Chomsky, and Hillary Clinton, preaching to college students about wealth re-distribution.

It's a nice change to have someone call a spade a spade.

7 posted on 06/24/2002 9:04:50 AM PDT by tcostell
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8 posted on 06/24/2002 9:07:26 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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Please tell Bush this. Stop the PC crapola. Close the boarders. Stop immigration. Just do what Pat Buchanan has told us to do for the last ten years. But it's too late. The whole corrupt government is run & controlled by elites that do not have their interests in America. When & only when we elect enough people out of the "Two-Party Cartel" who aren't compromised by the time they reach the congress then & only them will there be any type of change.
9 posted on 06/24/2002 9:07:54 AM PDT by Digger
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You're sweeping it with a rather broud brush. The article is addressed to "radical Islam". You extended your stated fears by implication to all Muslims.
10 posted on 06/24/2002 9:08:01 AM PDT by B.Bumbleberry
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Of course, political correctness being what it is, and the strangulation of the media and educational institutions by the liberal left so overwhelming, that an enormous amount of blood and suffering will be needed before Americans as a whole do what needs to be done to make itself safe from destruction.

This Canadian is frustrated and fearful indeed.

I regretfully agree that at least one more massive terrorist incident in this country is needed to snap us out of our leftist, PC-induced lethargy.

This American is frustrated and PI$$ED OFF!

11 posted on 06/24/2002 9:13:00 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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"The will to genocide is not specific to the martyrs who blow up little children, but is shared by the community of radical Islam. It comes not from despair, but from a hope of heaven – from extending the territory of Islam and doing Allah’s will."
In other words:

These people are eager to purchase, with the blood of innocents, a ticket to paradise for themselves (or in the case of this monstrous, bloodthirsty woman, a ticket for her children).

And the ambition of these people is a world dominated by Islam and Islamic culture.

Their motivations, ambitions, morality, and ethics could not be lower, more inferior, more mundane, or more loathsome.

Their entire culture is odious.

The entire community of radical Islam is complicit in the murderous crimes of these people and is to be held accountable. Whether now or later, it will be necessary to eradicate their entire community and support system along with them, because they are an integral part of the enemy against whom we are at war and with whom we are locked in a struggle to the death.

This "Allah" whose will these people struggle to fulfill is a monster. It is certainly not God, no matter what they may claim. In fact, it is nothing alive or real other than some personification of their own hatred, brutality, and frustrated ambition.

Whether or not this is the same "god" that all Muslims serve is of little interest to the rest of the world other than this:

If it is, then Islam must be eradicated.

If it is not, then Muslims had better make this clear--and fast.

Horowitz's article is a masterpiece of clarity.

"There is no substitute for moral and strategic clarity."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

12 posted on 06/24/2002 9:13:08 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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15 posted on 06/24/2002 9:19:12 AM PDT by bassmaner
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"The hope for heaven – or for the global reign of Islam as the path to heaven -- is generically the same fanatical inspiration that caused believers in socialism (a heaven on earth) to kill tens of millions of innocent unbelievers during the 20th Century."
And the same that caused believers in The Third Reich (a heaven on earth) to kill tens of millions of innocent people whom they considered racially inferior or who in some other way stood in the way of their Nazi heaven on earth.

The trappings--the rhetoric--the symbols are different--but it is all the same!

16 posted on 06/24/2002 9:20:24 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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The only thing that prevented them from ALREADY killing tens of thousands was that the two planes hit the WTC so high; if they had struck 15 minutes later, 10 minutes closer together, and 30 stories lower, 20,000 would have been killed.
18 posted on 06/24/2002 9:22:18 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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Do the liberal Europeans honestly think they can force these Muslims to continue paying high taxes to finance their retirements?

Side-topic: I've said this before in this forum............We are trying to solve the same retirement funding problem. We are accomplishing this by Mexican immigration, knowingly or unknowingly.

19 posted on 06/24/2002 9:24:37 AM PDT by DoctorMichael
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Someone pointed out on another thread that the Western wildfires might give Islamic extremists the idea that they could destroy millions of acres of forest, many towns, etc., with a few cans of gasoline and a few matches. No need for fake ID, manufacturing bombs, flight training, etc. Just torch the country the old-fashioned way.
23 posted on 06/24/2002 9:28:21 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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"The present war against us may be about humiliation and a sense of inferiority stemming from Islam’s centuries of eclipse, but it is not about despair."
The irony is that these people have humiliated themselves, their religion, and their culture--and proven their inferiority beyond any possible doubt--far more certainly and indelibly than centuries of eclipse could possibly have done and that they have doomed themselves to defeat, further humiliation, and despair.
24 posted on 06/24/2002 9:29:33 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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He is brilliant, I just e-mailed this to some young skulls full of mush in our family.
25 posted on 06/24/2002 9:35:00 AM PDT by Ditter
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"This war is not a war we are facing. It is a war we are in. Americans have hardly begun to understand this"
George W. Bush understood this immediately.

When the September 11 massacre occurred, he immediately knew exactly what it meant, and he said so.

Intelligent people of the world understood the significance of his immediate grasp of the situation and were able to comprehend the immense depth and breadth and scope of his intellect, clarity, and leadership ability.

This was the single most reassuring thing after the massacre.

Those capable of comprehending the significance and importance of George Bush's reaction knew that the United States would prevail and that the nation was under the leadership of a brilliant and great man.

Those who did not recognize this or who have not yet are of inferior intellict.

26 posted on 06/24/2002 9:41:02 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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"Americans have also only begun to understand that if radical Islam is one face of our enemy, the other is the radical left. For two hundred years the radical left has believed in a religion promising a heaven on earth whose end justifies any means."
"Liberals" and "Liberalism" are the enabler of America's enemies, of radical Islam, and of the Sept. 11 terrorists.

If it were not for "Liberals" and "Liberalism", America's enemies would pose no threat.

The only real threat to the U.S. comes from within--decadence, in the form of "Liberalism". (This, of course, has nothing to do with the word "liberal", meaning free, freedom-loving, or free-thinking.)

The Left--"Liberalism"--is the real threat to the U.S. The other enemies are opportunists.

Unless "Liberalism" is defeated in the Western Democracies, they will fall.

If "Liberalism" is defeated, America's other enemies will pose no serious threat.

28 posted on 06/24/2002 9:54:32 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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