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Joe, people in government don't like to talk about this, and so they don't. But the alternative to what's happening is rather massive social unrest, possibly with euthanasia and assisted suicide, starting in about 20 years.

There's no way to support all the old people, Joe. You've seen the Social Security math. There aren't enough people reaching adulthood to pay all the Social Security taxes we're going to need. Those Mexicans are the people who are going to pay those taxes, Joe. They are going to feed the old people.

We can't afford to feed the old folks otherwise, Joe. We'll have to kill them. Nicely, perhaps. In a kind way. But for the children. We can't have one retiree for every worker. That's too big a strain on families that are trying to raise children. Do we starve the children? Or starve the old? Or let in lots of immigrants to raise the worker-to-retiree ratio?

Nobody wants to talk about that. But in the absence of talking about it, the decision has been made. And you know what? Given the choices, it could be worse. Unlike Western Europe, which faces the same problem, our immigrants don't want to kill us in the name of Allah. Most of them just want to come here and work the same as, well, our own immigrant grandparents did.

If we were still having big families, you would have a point. But white America is not even reproducing at the replacement rate. The country as a whole is barely meeting that yardstick, and that's with the immigrants thrown in. A culture that will not reproduce itself will be overrun. Get over it. You can't stop Nature; you either "be fruitful and multiply," or those who do inherit your Earth. Don't blame the gubment for that. That one comes from On High.

Or maybe privatize Social Security and dismantle the multigenerational Ponzi Scheme once and for all.

Then lock the borders down.

The problem with your argument is that you think these immigrants are going to pay for all the old folks....The problem is, they take up far more resources than they provide. This negative impact does not pay for anything.

Combine this fact with the fact that our current LEGAL immigration is around a million a year. Illegal is estimated to be about the same. Even at levels from earlier in last century of 250,000 immigrants, our resources are stretched to the limit. You should really do some research on the subject, might I suggest:

http://www.numbersusa.com/inde x

I am a firm believer that immigration is what made our country great. Unfortunately, it's also the tool that will kill our country as well. How many of the immigrants to the US from 1800-1940 came expecting a free ride on the public teat? Free medical, education, welfare checks, their own country carved out of the US, etc? I would venture to guess hardly any.

Yes, there are still immigrants who come to the US with the intent to become hard working contributors to our society. Unfortunately, there is a vastly larger percentage now who come for the wrong reasons.

What's funny about your assertion is that your list of possible alternatives to immigration is actually what is likely to happen here WITH the massive immigration we are currently experiencing.

"There's no way to support all the old people, Joe. You've seen the Social Security math. There aren't enough people reaching adulthood to pay all the Social Security taxes we're going to need. Those Mexicans are the people who are going to pay those taxes, Joe. They are going to feed the old people."

Oh give me a freaking break Nick! If it was really to support the "old folks" on soc. sec., then why do we import unskilled, uneducated workers that will always earn low wages and contribute smaller amounts of FICA?

Wouldn't it make more sense to encourage immigration from Eastern Europe where you will find highly educated people qualified to take high paying professional jobs and contributing the maximum into FICA? Logically, that would be the correct thing to do. IF your hypothesis was correct. Does not anyone see that there is an illegal preference given to one particular nation? This is crystal clear!

Most people have no problem seeing that the main reason for this uncontrolled illegal movement from the south is to have an unlimited supply of cheap labor.

I agree with you that we need a new generation of immigrants to create the tax base need for the next 30 years. But your response disregards current immigration policy.

It is my heartfelt belief that there are many thousands of educated, healthy, skilled workers from Europe, Asia, India, Africa, the former Soviet Union and South and Central America who are prevented from immigrating to America for one reason or another. Meantime, the Federal Government turns a blind eye to a flood of impoverished, illiterate, lower-class uneducated immigrants who cannot add much to the US economy beyond brute labor, generally paid at lower-than market rates.

Their lower pay creates a savings for employers. But their lack of education, language skills and career skills hurts the nation. If we were importing skilled nurses and doctors and technicians and engineers, the cost of those products and services would go down more than we are saving for cheap tomatoes and the taxes paid by such skilled workers would more than make up for cabbies, 7-eleven clerks and migrant farm workers.

The point is, I agree we need immigrants. We do not need unskilled illegal immigrants of color. We need skilled legal immigrants from any source, even ones who are white, which is of course politically incorrect in the current political climate. I believe that Joe, the original poster, has a valid argument.

Nick, social security, as it now stands, is nothing but a pure pyramid scheme. Eliminating government waste, while phasing out social security is definitely possible to bring the problem under control. However, the alternative that many give is a form of balkanization, and I have my doubts as to whether the Mexican culture can adjust with American culture. Give the politics of the day, it appears that it can't.

I think Nick Danger has hit the nail on the head.

I believe we ought to reform immigration laws in the following fashion:

1. The would-be immigrant should have a job lined up or should be planning on starting a business here.
2. They must agree to NOT go on welfare.
3. They must keep out of trouble.
4. They must not have any criminal record at all, and pass a background check.
5. They must learn English.
6. They must learn how our government operates, particularly the founding documents. I nominate Bailint Vazsonyi to develop the course on that.

NO limit on those who can come in.

Of course, I'll probably get called a heretic and a RINO for this, but I don't care. I think this policy, if combined with a fully revamped Border Patrol and INS, will keep the welfare sponges and criminals out, and we'd be able to get the type of immigrants who MADE this country great.

If we didn't have to pay so much in social services to illegals and immigrants that can't pull their own weight there would be pleanty of money for old people. They cost us an estimated 24 billion a year, not to mention the 9 billion they take out of our economy and send to Mexico.

I see immigration as a tool of liberals to void the votes of conservatives, but I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with or share my opinion. It's just a shame they don't because I see it as the most urgent problem that needs to be turned around before the voter's booth is overwhelmed against us.=o)