According to Joe Hadenuf: Official Free Republic Position Parallels GOP On Immigration. No Big Deal

6/23/02 | Joe Hadenuf

[Joe Hadenuf]

Last night during a conversation/debate between myself and the leader/owner of the Free Republic, Jim Robinson, a rather stunning revelation was brought forth. I asked Mr. Robinson, which Republicans were vocally backing, and supporting Tancredo in his fight for our sovereignty? After some delay, Jim answered, “I have no idea. Immigration is not a big concern of mine.”

This is from the man that runs the most well known, and respected, political conservative internet forum in the United States? And Mr. Robinson resides in California?

Below is the exchange

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To: Jim Robinson

#939: Oh, so the Republicans are fighting for our sovereignty? Besides Tancredo, which Republicans are these Jim? If you could be specific.

#1034: Which ones are not ?

#1056: You never answered my question Jim.

Since you failed to answer my question, I will go first.

Given thirty years of this open border, immigration "free for all" that has resulted in many millions entering our nation illegally, I believe there are very few Republicans, or anyone else in DC, besides Tancredo, that are visibly and vocally fighting for our national sovereignty.

Now would you care to tell me which Republicans are standing with Tancredo and voicing outrage against this titanic, never ending invasion of illegal aliens?

1056 posted on 6/22/02 11:09 PM Pacific by Joe Hadenuf [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1034 | View Replies | Report Abuse

To: Joe Hadenuf

I have no idea. Immigration is not a big concern of mine.

1109 posted on 6/22/02 11:43 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1056 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

At first I as was stunned, angry, and felt let down. Then after some thought I wasn’t too surprised.

Looking back at all the hundreds of immigration threads where many were deleted, disappeared and sent to the cornfield, I guess I am not too surprised. However, given the gravity and danger this country faces regarding this out of control, titanic immigration issue, I am still outraged, disheartened and saddened by Mr. Robinson’s response. Thread after thread Freepers have displayed genuine outrage and honest concern regarding this issue. And the outrage and insanity regarding this issue goes far beyond the Free Republic.

It’s escalated to the point now where many of our major cities in this country, such as Chicago, have now approved the use of identification cards, issued by Mexican consulates that will give illegal aliens access to financial and public services and more, as our so-called leaders stand treasonously silent, as our sovereignty is slowly dismantled.

This massive invasion of millions of illegal aliens has changed the face of many of our once great cities, from California to Illinois, to Georgia, to Tennessee, to Texas etc etc.

They are crowding our already over crowded classrooms, voting in our elections, choking off our social services, driving down the wages, while driving up our taxes, filling our jails, standing room only in many big city emergency rooms, etc, etc, etc. I personally know of six American citizens that have become victims of illegal alien crime, from having family members slaughtered on our highways by drunk driving illegal aliens, to stabbings, robberies and common burglaries.

And just recently, another young Deputy Sheriff was shot through the face and killed in California by an illegal alien, that has again fled back to the safety of Mexico. It has now been learned that this individual has already been deported three times, each time he has returned and committed more crimes in our country, leaving American victims in his wake, and each time he fled back to the safety of Mexico.

There are many forms of terrorism, and this continued invasion of millions upon millions is one form. And it's my opinion that it’s one of the most dangerous, most threatening issues facing America today. Even today as we speak, our federal government continues to allow in almost 8000 Middle Eastern men a month on visas. It is my opinion that this legal and illegal “immigration free for all” must be, stopped, extremely limited, and reformed immediately!

Again, I am extremely saddened and distressed by Mr. Robinson's response and lack of concern regarding this issue.

[janetgreen]

janet, Little Brown Man Watch is offering three years for the price of two, and will kick in a pair of ankle-high waders for crossing the Rio Grande, if you pay up front.

Stinky, as usual, you make no sense. What does your comment have to do with the (aided by the U.S. government) invasion of America and the fact that MOST Americans are strongly against it? I'm sick of paying for the ankle-high waders and all the other $$$ freebies, aren't you?

[janetgreen]

We're ALL hoping that the judges Bush appoints will stand up for constitutional restoration. None of us want more liberal judges in America.

As far as the President's policies are concerned, that's the rub. So far he has refused to step up to the plate for American citizens/workers, preferring foreign interests instead, and that's where he's gone absolutely wrong in America's eyes. In the face of terrorist threats since 2001, our borders are still like swiss cheese, and he has allowed the importation of poverty, ignorance, disease and dependence (by the millions) without a thought of what this mess is doing to America's communities, schools, hospitals, jobs, etc.

As a recent example, instead of speaking out against thousands of foreign nationals who are marching and flaunting Mexican flags in our faces and demanding their "rights", he jets off to Mexico to sell us out even further to his buddy Vicente. True, he's not doing it alone. Clinton did it, and Bush is following the same policy, only it's getting worse.

It's time we had a REAL American president who will actually protect American interests instead of selling them to the highest bidder. Does that man exist? Probably not in Washington. Those kind of real men don't belong to the boy's club there, so they are shunned.

Hillary would be the worst thing that ever happened to America, so the GOP had better put their thinking caps on and demand that their Senators and Reps start listening to those who elected them.

[Jim Robinson]

Looks like we're between a rock and a hard place. So what else is new?

[janetgreen]

So what else is new?

Just gettin' older and crankier, JR. Who's your pick for the GOP candidate in '08? They HAVE to find someone who can defeat the witch (if she runs, and I think she will).

I believe it's vital that the GOP will run a candidate in '08 who will be STRONG! on borders/homeland security/immigration law enforcement.

[Jim Robinson]

I don't know. Got any candidates in mind?

[janetgreen]

The only guy I like right now is Tom Tancredo, but I have to research his voting history in the House on other issues before I would write his name in. I'm sure he won't be on the ballot because he's not a member of the boy's club in D.C. I do believe that he's one of the few in the GOP who is concerned about the future of our country rather than the bottom $$$ line or their re-election.

[Jim Robinson]

By the way, while we're on the subject of his policies, I'm very thankful for George W Bush for what he's done for us in the following areas and that we do not have a Marxist liberal Democrat in his position:

National defense/the war against Islamofascism

Appointing judges

Defending the right to life

Defending marriage

Cutting taxes

Unsigning Kyoto


Wish he could do more in regards to privatizing social security and ending the income tax.

Very disappointed in his expansion of spending and his signing of CFR.

I posted way before the elections that I didn't believe he would solve the illegal immigration problem but neither would any Democrat. It's apparent that neither party can solve the issue. This one will be up to we the people.

[Jim Robinson]

I don't know much about him other than his stand against illegal immigration. If that is the number one issue of the day, he's probably head over shoulders above any other politician of either party, but don't know if that's enough to carry the day for him.

[janetgreen]

Yes, he has a few good marks on his report card, I'll concede that.

I'll just never forgive him for leaving the borders open, especially after 9/11/01. He lost his credibility on that one. It made no sense to leave the borders open while telling us that terrorists were such a threat to America.

Pushing amnesty for border hoppers also lost him much respect. He's acting without conscience and without a care in the world about those who elected him.

Neither party wants to solve the illegal alien problem. That is why we need a STRONG third party, to let the boy's club know that we're not going to put up with them anymore. BTW, I'm a lifetime GOP member, but I have defected, as have many of my friends and family here in invaded southern CA.

[Jim Robinson]

Sorry, IMHO, third parties are pipe dreams.

[Jim Robinson]

Even with a third party, you'd still have to have that perfect candidate that can gain the support of the people on a whole host of issues, plus having an organization capable of raising hundreds of millions in cash and putting it all smoothly, professionally and confidently out over the airwaves. And you'll need 60 plus million voters to beat the Democrats. If you don't already have all that, it's too late

[Willie Green]

BUMP!!!

[wardaddy]

Back at ya.

[Willie Green]

IMHO, third parties are pipe dreams.

"All political ideas cannot and should not be channeled into the programs of our two major parties. History has amply proved the virtue of political activity by minority, dissident groups, who innumerable times have been the vanguard of democratic thought and whose programs were ultimately accepted."

-- Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren - "Sweezey v. New Hampshire" (1957)

Third parties provide an honorable means of maintaining integrity and voting FOR a candidate who best reflects one's conscience.

If not for third parties, some of us would be forced to pursue a voting strategy of voting for the opposition -- NOT because we actually support them, but as a method of ridding ourselves of incumbents of our own party who have betrayed our principles.