According to Joe Hadenuf: Official Free Republic Position Parallels GOP On Immigration. No Big Deal

6/23/02 | Joe Hadenuf

[Joe Hadenuf]

Last night during a conversation/debate between myself and the leader/owner of the Free Republic, Jim Robinson, a rather stunning revelation was brought forth. I asked Mr. Robinson, which Republicans were vocally backing, and supporting Tancredo in his fight for our sovereignty? After some delay, Jim answered, “I have no idea. Immigration is not a big concern of mine.”

This is from the man that runs the most well known, and respected, political conservative internet forum in the United States? And Mr. Robinson resides in California?

Below is the exchange

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To: Jim Robinson

#939: Oh, so the Republicans are fighting for our sovereignty? Besides Tancredo, which Republicans are these Jim? If you could be specific.

#1034: Which ones are not ?

#1056: You never answered my question Jim.

Since you failed to answer my question, I will go first.

Given thirty years of this open border, immigration "free for all" that has resulted in many millions entering our nation illegally, I believe there are very few Republicans, or anyone else in DC, besides Tancredo, that are visibly and vocally fighting for our national sovereignty.

Now would you care to tell me which Republicans are standing with Tancredo and voicing outrage against this titanic, never ending invasion of illegal aliens?

1056 posted on 6/22/02 11:09 PM Pacific by Joe Hadenuf [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1034 | View Replies | Report Abuse

To: Joe Hadenuf

I have no idea. Immigration is not a big concern of mine.

1109 posted on 6/22/02 11:43 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1056 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

At first I as was stunned, angry, and felt let down. Then after some thought I wasn’t too surprised.

Looking back at all the hundreds of immigration threads where many were deleted, disappeared and sent to the cornfield, I guess I am not too surprised. However, given the gravity and danger this country faces regarding this out of control, titanic immigration issue, I am still outraged, disheartened and saddened by Mr. Robinson’s response. Thread after thread Freepers have displayed genuine outrage and honest concern regarding this issue. And the outrage and insanity regarding this issue goes far beyond the Free Republic.

It’s escalated to the point now where many of our major cities in this country, such as Chicago, have now approved the use of identification cards, issued by Mexican consulates that will give illegal aliens access to financial and public services and more, as our so-called leaders stand treasonously silent, as our sovereignty is slowly dismantled.

This massive invasion of millions of illegal aliens has changed the face of many of our once great cities, from California to Illinois, to Georgia, to Tennessee, to Texas etc etc.

They are crowding our already over crowded classrooms, voting in our elections, choking off our social services, driving down the wages, while driving up our taxes, filling our jails, standing room only in many big city emergency rooms, etc, etc, etc. I personally know of six American citizens that have become victims of illegal alien crime, from having family members slaughtered on our highways by drunk driving illegal aliens, to stabbings, robberies and common burglaries.

And just recently, another young Deputy Sheriff was shot through the face and killed in California by an illegal alien, that has again fled back to the safety of Mexico. It has now been learned that this individual has already been deported three times, each time he has returned and committed more crimes in our country, leaving American victims in his wake, and each time he fled back to the safety of Mexico.

There are many forms of terrorism, and this continued invasion of millions upon millions is one form. And it's my opinion that it’s one of the most dangerous, most threatening issues facing America today. Even today as we speak, our federal government continues to allow in almost 8000 Middle Eastern men a month on visas. It is my opinion that this legal and illegal “immigration free for all” must be, stopped, extremely limited, and reformed immediately!

Again, I am extremely saddened and distressed by Mr. Robinson's response and lack of concern regarding this issue.

[Joe Hadenuf]

This is an average of over 6,000 illegal aliens crossing into the United States from Mexico, undetected daily.

Thanks for those staggering, glaring numbers. I appreciate it.

This is a crisis beyond belief. I only hope those that see this as "no big concern" will take a hard look at your post.

[Jim Robinson]

"I think the idea is, if we delete the threads, we delete the issue. So maybe we don't see the issue discussed much here because of the thread killing, but the issue does exist. And it'd better be addressed, sooner rather than later. Good post, Joe."

Well, obviously, you are just plain wrong on your assertion. There are thouands of threads on FR regarding immigration. It's discussed here everyday all day long.

[AppyPappy]

Sorry, but I really don't see what is the difference anymore between the DNP and GOP.

You see no difference between Jesse Helms and Barney Frank?

[Jim Robinson]

Well, I'm not stopping anyone from doing something about it. The Congress has the power to regulate immigration. My advice to you and to whomever will listen is to dump as many Democrats out of office as you possibly can and replace them with Republicans. For the most part, it is the liberal Democrats who are holding open the borders and creating the socialist welfare state and who are appointing the liberal activist judges to make it all possible. Vote 'em out. It's the only way.

[Spiff]

So, if the Border Patrol apprehended 404,723 new illegal aliens since September 11th, the number of illegal aliens that made it into the United States undetected would be approximately 1,618,892. Although it could be as high as 3,642,507.

According to Census 2000, based on the Census 2000 apportionment, each member of the U.S. House of Representatives represents an average population of 646,952.

That means that that these invaders are coming in fast enough to create up to 12 new Congressional Districts per term. If they are allowed to vote, don't tell me that they're going to vote for conservative Republicans. You bet this is an important issue. Invaders don't always use firearms - the ballot box can be just as effective when invading and subverting a nation.

[Joe Hadenuf]

"Well, obviously, you are just plain wrong on your assertion. There are thouands of threads on FR regarding immigration. It's discussed here everyday all day long."

And that was the crux of this thread. That some actually see this national crisis as "no big concern" in the face of thousands of threads voicing honest and justified concern regarding this continued, titanic invasion of millions.

[Jim Robinson]

If John Senator John McCaine represented the one vote margin for the Republicans in the Senate vs allowing the Democrats to hold on to it, I would vote for him (assuming I could). Otherwise, I would vote the mutinous bastard out. Control of the Senate and their committees is that important. It is my number one priority this election cycle. Control of the Senate is for all the marbles.

[AppyPappy]

If history means anything, we will lose more of the Senate and possibly lose the House.

[Jim Robinson]

It's not my number one priority. I think it's a symptom of the problem rather than the cause. I believe that when you control the cause, most of the symtoms will be that much easier to get a handle on. Vote out the liberals and get the conservatives in charge and begin replacing liberal activist judges and many of these problems brought about by unchecked socialism will begin fading.

[Jim Robinson]

I realize that. That's why we're gonna have to work overtime. And that's why we need all hands on deck. This is no time to be shirkers. We need every vote we can possibly muster. The Democrats must go!

[Marine Inspector]

Agreed, That was my between the lines point.

We could take the entire Congress this November, but we will lose it in the end if we don't stop the mass legal and illegal immigrations.

The majority of all immigrants vote democrat and the Republicans think they can pander to these folks.

They are dead wrong and the US will follow.

[Spiff]

I realize that. That's why we're gonna have to work overtime. And that's why we need all hands on deck. This is no time to be shirkers. We need every vote we can possibly muster. The Democrats must go!

I'll tell you another thing I've been doing. I've printed out Voter Registration Forms from my State's website and I carry them around with me. I've been able to sign unregistered people up as Republicans and have even got a few to switch from the Democrat Party. I'm with you, we need all the votes we can get and the Dems usually are the best at the get-out-the-vote drives. We might be able to change that.

Maybe FReepers should hit their State's websites and get the appropriate registration forms and do the same thing. 50,000 FReepers x 25 new voters each = 1.25 new Republican voters. I'll start by posting a link to the Arizona Voter Registration Form and pledge to get 25 new Republican voters before the general election. Maybe we should start a thread for this kind of thing. What do you think?

[Joe Hadenuf]

Bump to that.

The majority of all immigrants vote democrat and the Republicans think they can pander to these folks.

They are dead wrong and the US will follow.

[Marine Inspector]

This is a crisis beyond belief. I only hope those that see this as "no big concern" will take a hard look at your post.

They won't.

[Twodees]

In California, it's more than just a symptom. Gore won California due to votes illegally cast by non-citizens. MacAuliffe is giving speeches claiming that voting is an inalienable human right and saying that asking for ID is denying people their right to vote. The democrats love having access to millions of malleable voters who aren't allowed by law to vote.

Maybe this looks like a "chicken or the egg first" issue to some, but it seems more clear cut than that to me. Illegals are voting democrat in large numbers, and doing so illegally. Democrats can't win an election without voter fraud in most cases, and this is one of their most advantageous forms of voter fraud, because it gives them real ballots to count.

[Jethro Tull]

"Say, I hope you're gonna help us retake the Senate this year."

Jim, didn't the lesson of Chester Lott (and his obstruction of Herr Klinton's impeachment) teach us that it's more important who we support, rather than what party they belong too?

Why on earth would anyone who loves the constitution support/vote for folks like Lott, Chaffee, Snowe, Spector, etc?

I'd argue that Republicans like these are more dangerous than Democrats because they tend to anesthetize conservatives with a false sense of hope.

We marched together in 1994 and tossed out the entrenched rascals because Klinton pissed us off by presenting a clear and present danger to America.

Today, no such anger exists, yet our nation is at war and clearly in danger. Moderate Republican leadership has provided the Novocain, which has numbed many, but not all...

[Jim Robinson]

It is not a case of chicken and egg. Unchecked immigration is a direct product of unchecked liberalism. Just as welfare, healthcare, environmental tryanny, gun control, abortion, gay rights, social security, run away budgets, out of control bureaucracy, liberal education, loss of sovereignty, loss of national security, and a million other serious issues that plague us daily are direct products of rampant liberalism. And there is only one way to reverse the downhill plunge into socialism, we must vote the liberals (ie, the Democrats) out. Sure, there are moderates in the Republian Party, but the Democrat Party is home to the liberals and even to openly declared socialists. This rat's nest must be cleaned out!

[Jim Robinson]

We will vote for them so we can retake control of the Senate. Without that, the liberal agenda will continue on unchecked.
Increase the margin of Republican control and then if the moderates don't come around, they can be voted out too, without turning it all back over to the liberal Democrats. I know of no other way. If you have a better plan (that is feasible) speak up.

[Jim Robinson]

The Founders of this great Republic gave the responsibilty of regulating immigration to the Congress. The liberals in the Congress are holding the door open for uncontrolled immigration. The liberals in the Senate approve only liberal activist judges that will advance the liberal agenda, including thwarting the will of the people and turning a blind eye to voter fraud. If you wish to do something about this other than complain, then help us vote out the liberal/socialist Democrats. Help us retake the Senate so we can get some decent judges.

[Jethro Tull]

#478: “I know of no other way. If you have a better plan (that is feasible) speak up.”

I consider a vote for a liberal of either party a danger to our nation, so my plan is to vote for people who support the constitution and the goals you outline on the home page of the FR. If we’re to ever roll back years of liberalism and government largess, it's urgent we wean ourselves off liberal politicians of all political stripes. My plan is predicated on the premisis that a liberal is a liberal, regardless of political affiliation. If a liberal D is elected because we didn't vote for a liberal R, there's absolutely no net loss to our personal freedoms. Liberalism is liberalism and like you've said often, it must be defeated.

Here’s a dilemma that very much sums up my lack of enthusiasm for the current state of the Republican party. I’d appreciate your feelings on this matter.

I, along with many other 3rd party types, helped elect Rep. Jim Greenwood (R-8th District, Bucks County, PA) in 1992. He beat a well funded D in a close race. Greenwood promised that, if elected, he’d serve only 5 terms. We have his promise in writing. Now, that his promise is due, he’s decided to run again, ignoring his written word to us.

Tell me Jim, is this man worth voting for? Would you vote for him, given what he’s done?

Thanks in advance.