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1 posted on 06/22/2002 10:38:57 AM PDT by freeforall
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2 posted on 06/22/2002 10:44:45 AM PDT by freeforall
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To: freeforall
See also:
A Little Secret About the Nazis
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630472/posts
They were left-wing socialists like the modern left of today
4 posted on 06/22/2002 10:48:30 AM PDT by My Identity
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Excellent!
6 posted on 06/22/2002 10:59:46 AM PDT by Frances_Marion
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To be a socialist", says Goebbels, "is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole."

And how many times here lately have we heard that "individuals must sacrifice some of their freedom for the 'common good"? I honeslty believe that this is why they no longer teach real history in the public schools. The last two generations along with future generations will have no knowledge of what has gone before and will, therefore, not be able to draw the parallels between the Nazi/Socialist/Communistic/Fascist regimes of the past.

7 posted on 06/22/2002 11:02:08 AM PDT by KentuckyWoman
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Peikoff's The Ominous Parallels is truly an object lesson in how to think systematically about politics and history. Highly recommended.
8 posted on 06/22/2002 11:05:09 AM PDT by The Great Satan
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Conservatives have often been called Nazis by the left. Pretty hilarious considering they have far more parallels to that ominous regime.
9 posted on 06/22/2002 11:07:52 AM PDT by goodieD
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Wouldn't Hitler have been a conservative, if the socialists
were in power. Expediency, any means to power. Power corrupts, blah blah blah.

10 posted on 06/22/2002 11:10:44 AM PDT by Knight Templar
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Bump
13 posted on 06/22/2002 11:23:38 AM PDT by redbaiter
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Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Worker's Party), NSDAP = 'NAZI' Party


16 posted on 06/22/2002 11:33:12 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: freeforall
Ahh, I see some positive comments. Try posting this again, same title but with the author also mentioned as the "intellectual heir to Ayn Rand" and see what sort of comments you get.

For my part- I agree with him.

17 posted on 06/22/2002 11:35:02 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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...most probably the most important book written in modern times.

Most probably?


19 posted on 06/22/2002 11:52:12 AM PDT by ppaul
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Type, Democratic Socialists of America in your search engine, it is the democratic party, this they surely don't want folks to know as they coined 'liberalisim' as a if it feels good do it modern 'rights' feminists/minorities united. When it is socialisim. Thank-God America has awakened to this. And the ones with pea brains saw it in Hitlery rolling her eyes when the President was addressing the nation. She cares about nothing but HERself.
20 posted on 06/22/2002 11:57:52 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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Thanks for posting this excellent article. Here is a link to another article covering the same important historical data: ( American Fascism link)

I will bookmark your thread as it is well documented.

28 posted on 06/22/2002 12:46:53 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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bookmarked and bumped
32 posted on 06/22/2002 12:59:28 PM PDT by Tribune7
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50 posted on 06/22/2002 2:36:30 PM PDT by foreverfree
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Not to mention he was also a pagan.
52 posted on 06/22/2002 2:41:58 PM PDT by BlessingInDisguise
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Socialists love dictators. Over at the Dutch International Socialists (Inter-national Socialists) site, you can buy pro-Hussein en pro-intifada bumperstickers. They also hate Jews. They like to oppress people (East Germany, Cuba and so on). Therefor they want to help Saddam. And like the nazis they want to kill democracy to replace it with a one-party state.
60 posted on 06/22/2002 3:37:51 PM PDT by knighthawk
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SOCIALISM: THE ULTIMATE EVIL

By Balint Vazsonyi

[First published July 15, 1997 in The Washington Times, under the title: "Behind the benign masks of socialism"]

PBS has begun to air a documentary series under the title "Russia's War: Blood Upon the Snow." Surprisingly, judging by an early segment, a belated exposure of Soviet bestiality under Stalin is on the minds of the makers. Belated, because the facts have been available since 1956 at the latest. Surprising, because American television generally conveys the sense - more and more each year - that Communists were martyrs, that the Soviet Union really meant well, and that anyone disagreeing with that view was either senile (President Reagan) or a pathological bigot (Senator Joseph McCarthy).

I must be forgiven for a measure of suspicion. It is not easy to believe that, of all networks, PBS would suddenly have a complete change of heart about Communism. I will therefore speculate about the real purpose of the series, with every intention of happily eating my words in the event of being wrong.

Not one, but two warning signals go off. The first is about World War II which, it appears, is a major focus of the series. There has been an unmistakable tendency in our media (culminating around the 50th anniversary of VE-Day) to chronicle the victory as largely the accomplishment of the Red Army, underplaying - if not ignoring altogether - the role of Britain and the United States. One wonders if our journalists ever visited the American graves, stretching as far as the eye can see, on the Western shores of Europe. One wonders if our journalists have heard of the Battle of Britain that broke the back of Luftwaffe, the German air force. That made all the difference for the Red Army, since the Soviets had no air force of their own.

The second alarm bell has been ringing since about 1994, when the Russians first put out word that they, too, were "victims of Communism." Could the PBS series, made with the wholesale participation and cooperation of the Russian Government, aim to hammer home just such a notion? Incessant references by the narrator to Stalin as "the Georgian" would point in that direction. Hitler, we are reminded, was Austrian. Yet, in 1945 and since, no one has sought to absolve Germany and Germans of their culpability. Not even the Germans themselves.

What harm, I hear you ask, can possibly come from the exposure of horrendous crimes, properly documented at last? The first concern has to do with the confusion already surrounding the word "communism." Technically speaking, Communism is simply the final phase, the ultimate goal of Socialism. In other words, it is a variant of Socialism. So is what we call Nazism. "Nazi" is short for National Socialist, merely another variant of Socialism. Stalin ordered Nazis to be referred to as "Fascists" only to avoid the obvious analogy with Soviet Socialism. Germans never were "fascists" - the Third Reich was ruled by the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

Socialism, by whatever name and in all its forms, is the ultimate evil. Sooner or later, it destroys everything in its path: law, morality, family, prosperity, productivity, education, incentive - finally life itself. Portraying Stalin as the cause of evil puts the cart before the horse. Socialism creates the conditions for a Stalin; socialism creates the conditions for a Hitler.

Socialism was much the same before and after Stalin, before and after Hitler. In my native Hungary, a mere six months of Leninist rule during 1919 (years before Stalin) destroyed the national fabric to the point where its legacy tears apart the country even today. Socialism remained the same under Beria, Malenkov, Khrushchev, or Brezhnev. As for the murder of tens of millions, the torture and the gratuitous cruelty, they may have been ordered or sanctioned by leaders, but they were committed by people against other people. Russians committed them, just like Germans or Japanese. And Russia went on to enslave civilized nations with consequences we cannot as yet assess.

Yes, Stalin and Hitler, the prize disciples of Lenin, were twins. So were Communism and Nazism. In Budapest, when the Gestapo left, the NKVD (then GPU) did not even bother to change the building in which the tortures and murders took place. They kept the building, and the personnel.

Therefore, let us be clear about Stalin's role. He may have been top of the heap, but no "lone ranger." And let us, also, assess accurately the role of Russia's Red Army in the defeat of the Third Reich. Why did they fight? What were they after?

When Hitler came to power, Russia remained firmly at Germany's side. Such a tradition goes back many centuries, especially with reference to Poland - a favorite plaything of Prussian kings and Russian Tsars. Only after Germany's vicious attack on Russian civilians, as well as on the military, did Russian blood boil to the point of an all-out campaign. Subsequently, pursuing the enemy beyond their border provided feed for Russia's centuries-old appetite for expansion.

Thus, the Red Army was motivated by the triple passions of defending the beloved homeland, revenging unspeakable atrocities on its soil, and conquering fresh rich territories for Mother Russia.

By contrast, America's armed forces in Europe defended the cause of liberty for all. They responded to the suffering of others with righteous indignation.

Above all, they gave their lives without any expectation of gain.

73 posted on 06/22/2002 4:12:00 PM PDT by knighthawk
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The Nazis were not socialists despite their name. I have rebutted this nonsense so many times on FR I am sick of it. Only someone without any knowledge of political philosophy could make such a claim. The Nazis lay on the far right of the traditional political spectrum, not merely trusting in the traditional institutions of the dominant culture but raising them to the level of worship, a la Edmund Burke. Despite their National Socialist rubric, they failed to nationalize a single major industry, but rather nationalized the labor force itself, which socialists would hardly do. On the contrary, socialism lay at the far left of the traditional spectrum, where the traditional institutions of the dominant culture are intentionally weakened in an effort to strike against institutionalized racism and sexism and the major industries are nationalized while the workers are free to unionize and direct the operation of the nationalized industries. This is what we find happening in the United States slowly, but with a powerful counter movement toward fascism. Both directions mean the loss of freedom. That is why I am a libertarian.
96 posted on 06/22/2002 9:11:18 PM PDT by stryker
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Nazism was, as the name implies, a synthesis of nationalism, socialism and racialism. It didn't fit the standard pigeonholes of that time or of ours. Nazism became associated with the right because of Hitler's fight against the Communists and the rightwing support it brought him. International Communism being "left" the tendency was to put national socialism on the "right." But it would be hard to conceive of Nazism had there been no Bolshevik revolution.

The truth is that there are characteristics that link Nazism to the left and to the right, and the mixture can't quite be characterized as either. Part of the problem is also that since Hitler and Stalin, both the right and the left want to appear less amenable to state control and domination of industry and society than they were in the Europe of Hitler's day. Similarly, one would find racial and eugenic ideas much more popular across the Western political spectrum in 1932 than in 2002.

More interesting would be a discussion of Peikoff. Randian individualist by trade and conviction, yet he does manage to be very collectivist about things that concern him deeply, like the Middle East. Don't Randianism and other extreme forms of libertarianism tend to break down in this way when issues of real concern to people are addressed?

110 posted on 06/23/2002 12:43:36 AM PDT by x
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