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To: JohnHuang2; mickie; honway; backhoe; glorygirl; MizSterious; carenot; Betty Jo; Uncle Bill; ...
I am glad Johnstons interview is getting the attention it deserves.

What is frustrating for Mike and me is that we and others have been writing and talking about the info in his interview for over 6 years and no one in the press or government officials until recently would take it seriously. I have written articles about the same info which I have been posting on FR for over two years and started going to COngress with it in 1997. The Senate Judicairy would not even listen to the PEntagon terrorsim advisor about all this when the advisor and I briefed the Judicairy and Intelligence committees legal counsels in 1997 and 1999.

I have also written extensively on FR about documents and witnesses that prove prior knowledge and forewarning by the FBI and USG and a coverup of this fact. I went to Senator Shelbys aide,William Dunke, on the Senate Intell COmmittee in early January 1999 and told him directly about the 22 affadavits of witnesses who saw McVeigh with seven ME men in OKC (seven is the same number of men Saddam Hussein alleged hired according to thre Saudi intell people).

Dunke told me to have Jyana Davis go to the OKC FBI and have them receive the evidence and let the FBI know that the Senate Intelliegence COmmittee would be watching whether or not the FBI would receive the info. FBI agent Dan Vogel recieved the evidence in a meeting with Davis and her husband and her attorney (this has been now widely reported in the press and in Nichols pretrial hearings)in late January 1999 after they received my instructions from Dunke. In my opinion the FBI already knew most of what was turned over to to VOgel in January and February 1999 by Davis and her attorney.

Nelson also told me he , Nelson, also saw another ME looking man fleeing in a vehicle in front of the Murrah building at a high rate of speed one minute before the bombing.

The story of Cannistraro being told by Saudi intelligence (Prince Turki Faisal) about the Iraqi hit on the Murrah building (with the help of seven Pakistanis?) was in David Hoffman's book, the Politics of Terror, in OK State legislator Charles Key's bomb report, in William Jasper articles in the New AMerican, in Stephen Jones book, "Others Unknown", and in my articles on FR.

I have reported this month in several replies on FR about Khalid Mohammed, the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks having a possible connection to the OKC bombing via the Phillipines, Ramsy Youseff and Nichols. I reported this when the FBI and DOJ named Mohammed as the mastermind in a NYTImes article by James Risen. Last year the secretary (Sharon Twilley) of the man (Samir Khalil)who employed two ME suspects (Abraham Ahmad and Al Hussaini) in the OKC bombing identified a picture of Mohammed as the man she had paid three times for her employer(Khalil) in OKC in 1995. I gave all the info in this paragraph about Mohammed plus more to Mike Johnston and the Senate Intelligence Committee (Senator Shelby) last weeek.

I reported in an article on FR that Nichols was with a ME John Doe and a Rider truck in Newkirk OK on APril 18, 1995 the day before the OKC bombing. This has been known to the FBI since late APril 1995.

There were two ME males (likely Ahmad and Hussain) fleeing from in front of the Murrah building in a late model Chevy pickup truck(FBI APB on this). These mem were seen running and jumping into the truck by a witness interviewed live at the scene by KTOK radio reporter Cary Hulsey. The truck and its occupants were seen and identified speeding down the street by witness Kay Heron as she was crossing the street.

And there was a Mexican or ME looking man who crossed the street with McVeigh after they exited the Rider truck according to witness Rodney Johnson. McVeigh and the second man then drove off at a high rate of speed in McVeighs yellow Mercury Marquis down the ally behind the Journal Record building and across the street from the Murrah building according to witness Gary Brewer. This second Mexican or ME looking man may have also been riding in the Rider truck as McVeigh drove it up to and in front of the Murrah building.

8 posted on 06/22/2002 9:19:45 AM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: DoughtyOne; philman_36; spycatcher; ntrulock; Gary Aldrich
Please see reply #8
9 posted on 06/22/2002 9:23:20 AM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
Unfortunately, sometimes good information from books, etc just needs to be repackaged to follow other mainstream articles and changing public attention.

13 posted on 06/22/2002 9:40:37 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: OKCSubmariner; Donald Stone; Joe Montana; AtticusX; mancini
When asked why the government did not do more to press McVeigh before his death if he was working for another government, Johnston said such a strategy" was apparently not in the game plan for the Justice Department …"

No surprise here. Thanks for the additional info OKCSub.

14 posted on 06/22/2002 9:43:07 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: OKCSubmariner
How the government thought they were going to cover up all these witnesses, Carol Howe, the judge that was warned, the fire and police officials that were warned, etc., I have no idea. OKC and TWA 800 are going to unravel. Our government is going to take a huge hit on this. And sadly, that's what should happen. These two cover-ups have been a despicable display of arrogance and manipulation. Thanks for the comments.
23 posted on 06/22/2002 11:10:41 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: OKCSubmariner
BTTT
26 posted on 06/22/2002 11:16:22 AM PDT by Marianne
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To: OKCSubmariner
What ever happened to the surveillance cameras that had recordings of John Doe and McVeigh?

Anything ever come of the reports that there were other bombs INSIDE the building that didn't explode and that the BATF took from the scene?

How about that retired USAF General who's analysis said that there HAD to have been other bombs inside the buiding, that the truck bomb was just a screen?

What did the FBI and BATF know and when did they know it?

29 posted on 06/22/2002 11:23:47 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: OKCSubmariner
This whole thing needed more than five degress of rudder a long time ago.
47 posted on 06/22/2002 2:04:09 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: OKCSubmariner
Keep up the good work.
49 posted on 06/22/2002 2:30:15 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: OKCSubmariner; PhiKapMom; VOA; PJ-Comix
Believe me, there are many of us here who appreciate your efforts and who recognize the disruptors who have come from somewhere to attempt to discredit you here on FR. I've heard some things thru the grapevine in the OKC area that debunk the party line as well, as I'm sure you have, about the seismic observatory in Norman and certain things that happened after the bombing with "well-known war correspondents who packed their own heat in Afghanistan." Not to mention rumors of money being skimmed off the top of the OKC memorial fund to finance a particular congressional campaign.

Gee, could that serve as an incentive to someone in a position of power to keep information private?

Keep the faith.

54 posted on 06/23/2002 7:34:02 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: OKCSubmariner; DoughtyOne; PJ-Comix; honway; All
First off, the most important line in the above post -- "An FBI spokeswoman told WorldNetDaily the bureau had no comment on Johnston's allegations."

No denials, no attempt at accusations of "tin foil," no repeat of the mantra "The FBI conducted a thorough investigation and found no evidence of foreign involvement in the OKC bombing."

Don't kid yourselves, this is a HUGE change in the fed tactics.

This has come about only because of September 11, and by pressure from the media and the public.

John Gibson has known about all of this stuff for many months, if not years, and he is to be given credit. But there's still much more he could have reported.

OKCsubmariner may have done more than any one else in the country to help effect this change. But it isn't done yet. That's why people have to keep contacting congress and the media to make sure the entire truth comes out. There are a huge number of people who want to protect Bill Clinton and the FBI.

To many of us, this stuff seems really obvious, and we cannot understand why the government and the media has ignored it so long. As more comes out, more people are going to be surprised and upset for not paying more attention.

57 posted on 06/23/2002 10:47:21 AM PDT by glorygirl
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To: OKCSubmariner; PhiKapMom; OKSooner
I reported in an article on FR that Nichols was with a ME John Doe and a Rider truck
in Newkirk OK on APril 18, 1995 the day before the OKC bombing. This has been known to
the FBI since late APril 1995.


Thanks for OKCSubmariner for keeping the faith on this issue.
And to all my "Okie"-connected friends who weigh in from time to time.

I keep an open mind about foreign involvement in the Murrah Building bombing...but we may
never find a "smoking gun".

But there is just too much smoke here for there not to have been a con-joined fire.
I won't be surprised if some day we find McVeigh and/or Nichols were unknowing
fronts for Iraqi/Iranian/Foreign terrorists interests.
64 posted on 06/23/2002 2:03:55 PM PDT by VOA
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To: OKCSubmariner
What's this? 66 replies to this article and no _Jim yet to tell us all that we're so tightly wrapped with tinfoil that it is cutting off the blood to our brains?

I'm wondering if his bosses are still trying to figure out what lies he can spread on this thread to distract us....

Some day I hope I get to mee that douchebag face to face.

68 posted on 06/23/2002 3:43:47 PM PDT by Abundy
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