There were a lot of people on this forum clammoring for McVeigh's death last year. I urged that we think long and hard before we kill one of the few people who knew the whole story, motivation, depth of involvement, major players and other inside details. To no avail, McVeigh was executed.Folks, McVeigh might have been duped into committing the OKC Bombing. Whether duped or not, he certainly deserved exactly what he got. But there are times, when in the interest of self-interest for the nation, men and women need to show restraint. IMO we screwed up last year, BIG TIME.
At the time I suggested that Tim McVeigh might one day see things differently. Little did I know that aound six months after his death this nation would be attacked in a manner exponentially worse than the attack on the OKC Federal Building. McVeigh was involved in an attack against the FBI, BATF or other federal entities, and the building occupants. I suspect he was so focused on the BATF or FBI that he was blinded to the children and others in the building. Or perhaps he felt their deaths were warranted in exchange for those at Waco. Frankly it's difficult to understand how he could have done what he did. But I none the less feel that he would have seen the attacks on 09/11 differently.
I suspect McVeigh saw the OKC Bombing as an attack on federal agencies with colateral damage. I don't think he would have seen the attack on the WTC and the Pentagon as mere attacks on federal agencies. He would have likely seen them as attacks against the nation as a whole. I have no way of knowing, but I suspect he might have been willing to loosen up with some information if he were appoached correctly after 09/11. Terry Nichols hasn't. Perhaps McVeigh wouldn't have either. Or perhaps neither of them would if the feds didn't bother to ask them. Somehow I doubt the feds are too anxious to have Nichols or anyone tie in the middle-east to OKC. But then we have made sure that at least McVeigh will never be able to help us.
Now there is talk of middle-easterners being connected to the OKC bombing. The John Gibson show on 06/20 presented a former CBS reporter's (Jayna Davis) report about the ME operatives that witnesses insist that they saw with McVeigh. This was as emphatic a presentation as I have every seen with regard to middle-eastern involvement in the OKC bombing. John Gibson ended his show with a resounding question that earily implied that the government's attempt at a cover-up may just be coming unraveled. Here is that editorial by Gibson. I appologize that I as unable to obtain the text from the interview of the reporter earlier in the program. But I belive this editorial will display the impact it had on Gibson.
Thursday, June 20, 2002
By John Gibson
I think we're all convinced by now that George W. Bush has the cross hairs on Saddam Hussein.
And it's clear from the latest Fox News Opinion Dynamics poll that the American public supports action against Saddam by a huge, huge margin: 75 percent for — 14 percent against. In electoral politics that's a landslide.
But what do you think those numbers would be if it turns out reporter Jayna Davis is right? If the Iraqis were behind the Oklahoma City bombing, and Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols were in fact so called 'lilly whites' recruited to act as fronts for Muslim or Iraqi, or maybe even Iranian, terror against the U.S. heartland.
And what if it turns out that Tim McVeigh, as a matter of pride and profound embarrassment, would never admit, never let it be known that he was acting in concert with, or on behalf of an actual enemy of the United States — Iraq — an enemy that he personally fought against?
Or what if he was so worried about the fate of his beloved sister if he ever confessed that John Doe No. 2 was in fact hussein alhussani, the Iraqi identified by Jayna Davis?
How much angrier would the American public be to learn that the horror of April '95 was in fact Iraqi terror, carried under the shroud of two disgruntled, ticked off at the feds over David Koresh, white guys?
How angry would the American public be if it turns out that the prosecution of McVeigh as the executive in charge of the Murrah bombing was in fact a diversion, so as to let the real perps slip away quietly to gloat about their death and destruction in the safety of their lairs in Baghdad and Tehran.
This is nightmare scenario stuff, and what's so scary about this bad dream is there is actual evidence underpinning the fear that it could be true.
Did we execute Tim McVeigh when there was evidence that might have mitigated his involvement in the plot?
Did we send McVeigh to his grave keeping the secret of John Doe No. 2, and the terrible secret of treason and the hand of Iraq in that bombing?
Were we so anxious to get a conviction in that case and give the families closure, that we didn't follow the leads that would have led to an invasion of Iraq years ago, the toppling of Saddam, and maybe — just maybe — the destruction of the terror network that later killed more than 3,000 in New York and Washington, DC?
These are provocative questions that deserve answers and luckily Terry Nichols is still breathing and is facing a state trial in Oklahoma.
Let's hope the prosecutors there get to the bottom of this once and for all.
That's My Word.
Davis presented a strong case regarding witnesses seeing middle-easterners with McVeign and Nichols. For once a talking head did not treat a person offering up information like Davis' in a hostile manner. Gibson asked questions that probed and developed the case Davis was trying to make, that there was clearly a middle-eastern involvement.
If that show pops up this weekend, I'll tape the segment I missed and air it. I think that show was something every American should hear.
I'd like to think this show caught a few people's attention across America.
I also felt executing McVeigh was a huge mistake, at least at that time. They should have waited until all the facts were known. Even got into heated arguements on the local talk radio.
The thirst for blood was surprising. While I had no problem executing him, while kill THE key witness prematurely?
Thx for the post. John Gibson BUMP.
The rush to terminate mcVeigh, the only source of information re: the OKC attack pegged my "what the hell is going on" meter just like the rush to bulldoze and bury the remains of Murrah and Mt Carmel.
Given the fact that Bin Laden and nearly all of the september 11 attackers were Saudis, this revelation from Saudi intel that Iraq was behind OKC sounds like damage control to me.
Regards
J.R.
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SHOW: THE BIG STORY WITH JOHN GIBSON
June 20, 2002 Thursday
Interview With Jayna Davis
GUESTS: Jayna Davis
BYLINE: John Gibson
GIBSON: Documents obtained by The Associated Press show that our government was warned that Islamic terrorists were planning attacks on American federal buildings around the time of the Oklahoma City bombing. The Clinton administration even stepped up security around such buildings.
So could this mean that Timothy McVeigh was acting in league with those militants? My next guest says, yes, indeed.
Jayna Davis is a former Oklahoma City television reporter. She joins us now from Oklahoma City.
So, Jayna, this warning that was issued in February of 1995, a -- essentially a couple of months before the Murrah building explosion -- do you think it was connected to that bombing?
JAYNA DAVIS, FORMER OKLAHOMA CITY TV REPORTER: Well, it dovetails with the information that we generated when I was working as a reporter for the NBC affiliate here in Oklahoma City, and we gathered information from 24 witnesses who identified eight Middle Eastern men, the majority of whom were of Iraqi descend, working in collusion with Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols during various stages of the bombing plot to blow up the Murrah building.
The warning you refer to, John, I have in my possession. It was issued by the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, and what -- why it's startling to me is because it stated in February of 1995 that there would be an Iran-sponsored Islamic attack on U.S. soil. This specific target was Washington, D.C., primarily Congress and the White House.
Once security was beefed up after the dissemination of this warning, then there was an updated warning that was then issued by the director of the Congressional Task Force, Mr. Yossef Bodansky. He stated in the updated warning the specific language that the terrorists planned to strike at the heart of the U.S. but not acting alone.
The Islamic terrorists were going to employ the services and recruit what they call two lily whites. And in the jargon of the intelligence community, lily whites means anybody that's not connected or ostensibly connected to any Middle Eastern terrorist organizations and they have no police record, they're clean, they wouldn't be flagged by any law- enforcement agencies. Both Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh fit that criterion.
GIBSON: Now, Jayna, you have long held that a character named Hussain Al-Hussaini is John Doe #2, and I think we have pictures of him here. This is Hussain Hasham Al-Hussaini, and then, of course, we'll see the picture of John Doe #2, and he does bear a resemblance to him. What evidence do you have that Hussain Al-Hussaini, an Iraqi, was with Tim McVeigh?
DAVIS: Well, let's start with four days before the bombing. Two witnesses who independently identified him out of a photo line-up of 35 photographs of eight different Middle Eastern men. These witnesses identified him independently of each other as drinking beer with Timothy McVeigh in a tavern in Oklahoma City on April 15th of 1995.
Then there were two more witnesses that identified him jogging outside the Murrah building, dressed in blue jeans with a backpack and a windbreaker, racing from the Murrah building, one block east of the building, timing his run, before daybreak, the day of April 19th. These witnesses walked past this individual they saw running within about three to four feet and looked him square in the face. He was positively identified...
GIBSON: Where is Hussain Al-Hussaini?
DAVIS: ... Hussain Al-Hussaini.
GIBSON: Who...
DAVIS: Excuse me.
GIBSON: Where is he now?
DAVIS: Well, we don't know. I do know that he went and moved to Boston sometime around 1997 and claimed that he was working at Boston International Airport...
GIBSON: Logan?
DAVIS: ... in '97 and '98. Logan. Yes.
GIBSON: And he was an Iraqi soldier?
DAVIS: It's also important to note, John, he was identified in the Ryder truck with McVeigh 30 minutes prior to the bombing when McVeigh stopped to ask for directions at 10th and Hudson, which is about five blocks north of the Murrah building.
He was also identified at ground zero stepping out of the Ryder truck. He was identified in the passenger seat -- I'm sorry -- in the driver's seat of a brown Chevrolet pickup speeding away from the bomb site 60 seconds after the blast in a truck that matched the description of the official FBI all-points bulletin issued the morning of the bombing for Middle Eastern terrorists.
GIBSON: Jayna Davis, former Oklahoma City television reporter.
Jayna, thanks very much.
You were so right about the execution of McVeigh being an error. Too many unanswered questions, I did think so at the time.
double bump for all you Super Sleuths. many thanks.