The left's 'immutable truths': David Limbaugh debunks Democrats' most prized propaganda ploys

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, June 21, 2002 | David Limbaugh

[JohnHuang2]

Friday, June 21, 2002

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[tonycavanagh]

re : America's military involvement in Vietnam was morally wrong.

Not so much morally wrong as more a knee-jerk reaction to the fact that North Vietnam was Communist.

I am not attacking those who served over there, my father served and died out there.

But it was a bad political call followed by more bad political calls.

While the North Vietnamise regieme was not, what you would call a model society, neither was the souths, which was riven with petty rivalrys.

The war followed a predicatble line with the military constantly asking for more men, more powers.

Americans went to Vietnam to protect the South from the North and to fight the Communists in Vietnam otherwise they may end up fighting them on Americas pacific coastline.

1) How many South Vietnamise apart from the ruling clique really wanted protection.

2) The dominoe falling did not take into account regional nationilsitic riverlys, China and North Vietnam may have been Communist but that was where it stopped, as even the Noth Vietnamise Cadre beleived the old Vietnam saying "the Chinese have grey bellies", "like snakes the sun only shines on there backs".

They new that once Vietnam was united they would have to deal with Vietnam.

I know everyone likes the old stab in the back theory, but the fact of the matter was you were fighting the same war over and over again, over the same piece of ground.

Short of carrying out that old popular joke and eliminating all the vietnamese, there was nothing else America good do.

Cheers Tony

[.45MAN]

Ping

[The Raven]

>>FDR, for example, in his court-packing scheme attempted to alter the balance of power among the three branches of government.

That would get my vote.

Why? Because, what FDR wanted to accomplish clashes with the Constitution and individual freedoms. We're still paying for that.

[TigersEye]

"But they do intend for us to consider whether the social, cultural and political events of that decade were, on the whole, a positive influence on America's character."

I think it's still too soon to say. In some ways the events of the 60's brought the leftists out in the open where their agenda can't be denied. Communist and socialist agendas/policies were being worked here long before the 60's.

[sailor4321]

Well, as Limbaugh says, the left's truths are "immutable"...

[Anamensis]

note to self -- read at home...

[Mudboy Slim]

"I read an open letter that Ed Asner, Noam Chomsky, Gloria Steinem, Michael Lerner, and other like-minded actors, activists and academics wrote to the Guardian of London. Under the title "Not In Our Name," the enlightened assured the rest of the world that they did not stand by the repressive, imperialistic and militaristic policies of the Bush administration. They appealed to all Americans to resist Bush's "unjust, immoral and illegitimate" war and sought "to make common cause with the people of the world."

The HateAmericaFirst crowd of American Leftists is not dissimilar from the Terrorists who took out the World Trade Center. If anybody's looking for the real reason Bill Clinton refused to take action against the terrorists when he was presented with so many justifications for doing so, simply realize that he and his Leftist supporters "sought to make common cause with the" mass-murderers. In a very real way, Osama bil Clinton and the Lib'rals are every bit as responsible for 9/11 as bin Laden himself!!

Quite Sincerely...MUD

[Mudboy Slim]

Sorry to hear about your dad, Tony; however...

"Americans went to Vietnam to protect the South from the North and to fight the Communists in Vietnam otherwise they may end up fighting them on Americas pacific coastline."

While America didn't "win" either the Korean or Viet Nam Wars, both were necessary for our ultimate triumph in the Cold War. If America had not stood our ground when the Communists sought to extend its dominion in the Far East, the Leftists would have continued their expansion elsewhere until we would have eventually been compelled to defend FReedom-loving peoples somewhere.

FReegards...MUD

[Timesink]

Well, as Limbaugh says, the left's truths are "immutable"...

In other words, they never shut up.

[sailor4321]

Filled with sound and fury signifying nothing....

[fella]

"it was a bad political call followed by more bad political calls."

Calls made by JFK and Johnson. But somehow the GOP gets the blame in the media. Go figure that one out.

[sailor4321]

They can't forgive Nixon and Kissenger for damn near snatching victory from the jaws of defeat...

[ProudGOP]

If America had not stood our ground when the Communists sought to extend its dominion in the Far East, the Leftists would have continued their expansion elsewhere

Exactly. The Vietnam War was a success despite all the idiotic mistakes made in its execution. It stopped the spread of communism, which was the goal.

[Alas Babylon!]

The war followed a predicatble line with the military constantly asking for more men, more powers.

In context of the whole war, this is not true, Tony. Our military's objective in every war is to fight and win. It was the politicians who decided that the military could not, would not, be able to fight the war this way to avoid a repeat of Korea when China entered the fray. Therefore, there was never a drive to "take" Hanoi, nor bomb and mine Haiphong out of existance as a port, even when thousands of tons of Soviet military weaponry poured through constantly resupplying our enemies with weapons used to kill us. In the air, our targets were selected from Washington, and we were forbidden to go after any targets of opportunity or use our best weapon; warrior initiative and flexibilty.

IMHO, the men who fought in Vietnam were heros of a great, powerful nation FORCED to fight in a manner that led to far too many of their deaths and with no true end-game in sight.

God forbid we ever fight this way again. It was a road map to disaster. Better to avoid war altogether then to EVER fight this way again.

[farmfriend]

Many Americans recall this mood on the campuses and urban streets of the Consciousness Revolution. Earlier generations knew a similar mood in Greenwich Village around 1900, in utopian communes around 1840, in the Connecticut Valley nearly a century earlier, and in the Puritans’ New Jerusalems in the post-Mayflower decades.

The '60's have been here many times before and they will come aroung again. For an interesting view of history, read The Fourth Turning by William Strauss and Neil Howe. They also have an interesting look at 9/11 on their site.

[tonycavanagh]

re : Therefore, there was never a drive to "take" Hanoi, nor bomb and mine Haiphong out of existence as a port, even when thousands of tons of Soviet military weaponry poured through constantly resupplying our enemies with weapons used to kill us. In the air, our targets were selected from Washington, and we were forbidden to go after any targets of opportunity or use our best weapon; warrior initiative and flexibilty.

And what would you have done with North Vietnam, but end up fighting the same type of war as in South Vietnam.

Wars like this are won or lost in the hearts and minds of the population.

It doesn’t matter how many conventional victories you have, unless you have the population behind you they are but nothing.

There was only American arms propping up the South Vietnamese government, even a united Vietnam would still of depended on a garrison of American troops.

To the Vietnamese peasant you were just another foreign foe, they fought the Chinese for many hundreds of years, the French, the Japanese the French again.

They cared nothing for Communism, to them it was sold as nationalism.

[tonycavanagh]

There were better ways than fighting a long drawn out war which was a constant drain on American resources, and threatened to divide a great nation, and made liars out of so many at the top.

You don’t just fight wars, you fight wars to win, and as Wellington once said, if I am to win this war let it be at my choosing, my ground and at my time.

I don’t have time to debate today, but if you wish I will be happy to take this up again at a later date.

Well after Sunday, I promised the wife no freeping Sunday.

Cheers Tony

[Alas Babylon!]

To the Vietnamese peasant you were just another foreign foe, they fought the Chinese for many hundreds of years, the French, the Japanese the French again.

Tony, I don't disagree with you here. However, you could say the same thing about the German peasant, or the Japanese peasant, but when their nations were utterly vanquished, their resistance was over.

The real point I'm making was not to fight a war we don't intent to win, and not to commit troops to death and mayhem if further action will not bring victory.

[Mudboy Slim]

"The Vietnam War was a success despite all the idiotic mistakes made in its execution. It stopped the spread of communism, which was the goal."

Yep, it was our line in the sand, we had to make it somewhere. No way we could afford to just sit back and see an anti-American World Power brazenly support the aggressive--and bloodly--implementation of the Socialist Agenda over the objections of FReedom-loving sheeples accross the globe.

Too many good folks got slaughtered; but their lives were not fer naught!!

FReegards...MUD