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Microsoft's Crimes Against Humanity: The Wild West World of Antitrust Litigation
Capitalism Magazine ^ | June 20, 2002 | SM Olivia

Posted on 06/20/2002 4:40:17 PM PDT by Alan Chapman

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1 posted on 06/20/2002 4:40:17 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: *libertarians
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2 posted on 06/20/2002 4:40:30 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: *Microsoft
*Index Bump
3 posted on 06/20/2002 4:49:46 PM PDT by Fish out of Water
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To: Alan Chapman
To: *libertarians
. 2 posted on 6/20/02 4:40 PM Pacific by Alan Chapman

There's something rather hypocritical about libertarians supporting corporate monopolies, don't you think?

4 posted on 06/20/2002 4:53:10 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
There's something rather hypocritical about libertarians supporting corporate monopolies, don't you think?

To which corporate monopoly are you referring?

5 posted on 06/20/2002 4:59:43 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Alan Chapman
Litigating from the bench -- again!
6 posted on 06/20/2002 5:03:14 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Alan Chapman
*Legislating (something tells me I should drink a full cup of coffee before pressing Post).
7 posted on 06/20/2002 5:03:59 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Alan Chapman
To which corporate monopoly are you referring?

It doesn't seem to make much difference.
It's my simple observation that libertarians seem to defend all corporate monopolies.
I get the impression that libertarians prefer corporate "rights" over those of individuals.

8 posted on 06/20/2002 5:21:34 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Alan Chapman
Darned old Iowa Supreme Court! Letting customers who have been gypped (gyppees) sue the gyppor. We are indeed slouching toward somewhere. parsy the less than indignant.
9 posted on 06/20/2002 5:33:24 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: Willie Green
I think the point is that consumers get a better deal in markets with a "corporate monopolist" than they do in markets that are dominated by regulated monopolies.

The big lie is that regulating, re-regulating and then de-regulating industries serves consumers. I'm not sure why anyone would believe this, but some people are so sold on the idea that they actually believe that regulating Microsoft will open some magical doors in the software industry....As if industries with a regulated monopoly are so much more accessible to entrepreneurs. Weird thinking, if you ask me...
10 posted on 06/20/2002 5:42:26 PM PDT by Chameleon
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I think the point is that consumers get a better deal in markets with a "corporate monopolist" than they do in markets that are dominated by regulated monopolies.

Why bother making a point like that?
Consumers get the best deal in a fractured, competitive market where there's no monopolist influence at all.

Bust up the monopolies and restore competition to the market.

11 posted on 06/20/2002 5:51:05 PM PDT by Willie Green
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"pay “a monopoly price” for the privilege of using Windows"

What? The $15 - $25 the OEM computer manufacturer pays to Microsoft for Windows? That is hardly a "monopoly" price.

12 posted on 06/20/2002 6:00:58 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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He could’ve bought a Mac or installed Linux on the Intel machine he did buy.

The flaw in that reasoning is that even if he installed Linux or another OS, he still would have been paying for the Windows license. On the other hand, there have always been manufacturers selling PCs with no OS installed. On the third hand, no major OEM would dare to do this, since they fear retaliation by Microsoft.

13 posted on 06/20/2002 6:05:04 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: Willie Green
[To which corporate monopoly are you referring?]

It doesn't seem to make much difference.

An evasion.

It's my simple observation that libertarians seem to defend all corporate monopolies.

Which corporation do you believe is a monopoly, and why?

I get the impression that libertarians prefer corporate "rights" over those of individuals.

I believe your assessment is prejudiced by your own misconceptions about the market.

14 posted on 06/20/2002 6:10:15 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: parsifal
Letting customers who have been gypped (gyppees) sue the gyppor.

How has anyone been gypped?

15 posted on 06/20/2002 6:12:40 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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An evasion.

Not really.

Which corporation do you believe is a monopoly, and why?

We can stay on topic with Microsoft: excessive market share / lack of any real competition.

I believe your assessment is prejudiced by your own misconceptions about the market.

No, MicroSoft truly doesn't have any real competition.

16 posted on 06/20/2002 6:26:45 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: ThinkDifferent
The flaw in that reasoning is that even if he installed Linux or another OS, he still would have been paying for the Windows license...there have always been manufacturers selling PCs with no OS installed.

Fair enough. But, as you pointed out he could've bought a computer from a dealer with no OS installed.

Everybody I know who is a Linux aficionado never buys a computer with Windows pre-installed. They either build the computer themselves or buy it from a dealer who sells PC's with no OS. I think the complainer in the article just wanted something for nothing.

17 posted on 06/20/2002 6:27:46 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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By paying a higher price for the product because of anti-trust violations. By unfairly reducing competition, MS gains a monopoly and the price scoots up. This is classic. Check your Adam Smith. parsy. (who btw, just read a fascinating article in The Nation about the IMF.)
18 posted on 06/20/2002 6:28:47 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Ten years ago the Microsoft operating system that came with your computer accounted for about 10% of the cost of the machine. Today, with the prices of PCs falling the cost of a Microsoft operating system accounts for between 20% and 30% of the cost of a new PC.

Ten years ago the cost of a copy of Windows was about $100 retail. The cost today? The cheapest that I have found a full copy of any supported version of Windows is around $120. Now I'm sure that the price is lower in large quantities, but that was true then too.

This is the cost of a monopoly. A monopoly has no market to push prices lower. A monopoly has no market to force higher quality software.

The perfect example of how a monopoly costs is the cost of a minute of long distance in 1975 and the cost today. Even accounting for inflation, it's lots cheaper today. And no, local calls don't count, the Baby Bells still have local monopolies on local calls.

Whether it's retail or through OEMs, Microsoft is gouging the market with it's monopoly.

19 posted on 06/20/2002 6:29:39 PM PDT by Knitebane
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Fair enough. But, as you pointed out he could've bought a computer from a dealer with no OS installed.

It's getting really tiresome to refute this particular lie over and over again.

Please name a nationwide OEM that will sell you a PC without Windows.

If you want a PC with support, you buy from a Gateway, a Dell or an IBM. None of them offer a PC without Windows.

If you will settle for buying a machine from a Mom and Pop operation or if you build it yourself, you can do it without paying the Windows tax. But if you buy from any of the big OEMs, you pay for Windows and you can't get your money back.

20 posted on 06/20/2002 6:33:40 PM PDT by Knitebane
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