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Let's see what Bush has done for the vets!

0,zip,nada

Lets see what Bush has done period!

1. More houses for poor

2. 50% increase in FORIEGN AID

3. 500 Million for AIDS in Africa

4. Millions for Arafat (continued supports for PLO)

5. Amnesty for illegal aliens

and on and on

BUSH is willing to pay for just about anything except VETERANS

It has taken over 100 years to get this injustice righted. The only one standing in the way of correcting this travesty is GWB.

Call,fax,email the Whitehouse and Congress and support Retired Disabled Vets.

A word to those FREEPERS who don't think Retired Disabled Vets deserve Disablility and Retirement. If I could work a job and collect my military pension (which is what I had planned to do) I and most Retired Disabled Vets would, but many of us who are 60% - 100% disabled are unemployable, unable to hold a job.

Please, BTTT so all can read.

1 posted on 06/20/2002 12:44:30 AM PDT by Militiaman7
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To: Militiaman7
FYI, you can find AP articles at many online news sites other than the Washington Post. Yahoo and NYT for instance:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne ws?tmpl=story&u=/ap/200206 19/ap_on_go_co/congress_defens e_5

http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin e/national/AP-Congress-Defense.html
2 posted on 06/20/2002 1:00:07 AM PDT by pseudogratix
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To: Militiaman7
This has been the weakest link in the veteran care chain. A 60% disabled veteran is not able to hold down most jobs. After devoting his career and retiring to the United States defense, the pensioner deserves to be paid for his disability the same as the vet that did not make a career of the service.

I am a DAV and feel that I earned my disability pay, even though I did not make a career of the service. It seems that we can fund any and every scheme that comes along but always get very concious of the tax burden when veteran benefits come along. It doesn't make sense.

3 posted on 06/20/2002 1:06:03 AM PDT by meenie
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To: Militiaman7
Post from the original thread that were deleted, because I posted a complete AP article which happened to be in the Washington Compost.

Posted by billybudd to Militiaman7
On Jun 20 1:40 AM #2 of 12

I'm not big on government increasing funding on any of its programs, but it is ironic, Bush funding all kinds of foreign aid to Africa, but refusing to increase retirement benefits for our veterans.
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Posted by mrsmith to Militiaman7
On Jun 20 1:42 AM #3 of 12

" senior advisers would recommend that the president veto the bill "
Bush hasn't said he will veto the bill.
I think they will compromise on the House version giving full pay to those 60% or more disabled.
And rightfully so- this system has long been a disgrace!
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Posted by MissAmericanPie to Militiaman7
On Jun 20 1:42 AM #4 of 12

Oh I see, NOW he finds his veto pen.
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Posted by Militiaman7 to billybudd
On Jun 20 1:48 AM #5 of 12

It is ironic. Now it can be corrected and only Bush is in the way.
ps: It isn't an increase in retirement benefits. Its paying Retired Disabled Vets their pension which they earned for 20 years or more of service.
By the way this retirement pay has been budgeted every year by DOD and is paid for in the defense budget, but they used the money for the pensions of disabled vets for something else. Ask you congressperson if this isn't the truth.
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Posted by ArneFufkin to Militiaman7
On Jun 20 1:53 AM #6 of 12

What is 60% disability? Who measures that? What are your current benefits and what is your % disability?
How much are you receiving a month now, and how much will you receive a month if this bill passes?
What is your total compensation in pension and disability a month right now?
I'm curious about context here. Thanks.
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Posted by Militiaman7 to ArneFufkin
On Jun 20 2:07 AM #7 of 12

You can find all the info you ask for at: Department of Veterans Affairs
More information on Concurrent Reciept at: Uniformed Service Disabled Retirees
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Posted by ArneFufkin to Militiaman7
On Jun 20 2:09 AM #8 of 12

A couple more questions. These disabilities ... if a Ranger blows his knee out in jump training and has arthritis 20 years later ... is that a disability? What if he's in a vehicle collision and he has chronic neck injuries? The emotional signal is that Bush is turning his back on those injured in battle. Are all these disabled veterans suffering battle disability? If a cadet slips in the latrine and lands on his hip .... is that considered a disability 20 years later? If somebody retires at 41 after 20 years service, and a disability evolves say at 54 ... what is the process to ensure that his injuries weren't suffered after his service?
Whose watching our money here? My cynical reaction is that EVERYBODY's going to come away 60+% disabled.
My concern: The State Workers Comp programs are a corrupt fraud. Everyone is disabled. Everyone gets a check. Nobody is told they aren't hurting. The workers comp lawyers and chiros and rehab consultants are all lunching regularly together. It's a complete scam, I know it because my girlfriend at the time worked for a rehab consultant and she quit in disgust. It's killing businesses here.
I am VERY suspicious of this thing.
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Posted by ArneFufkin to Militiaman7
On Jun 20 2:10 AM #9 of 12

I'd like you to describe YOUR situation, sir. You came out yelling and villifying the President's position ... YOU tell me about the system.
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Posted by Militiaman7 to ArneFufkin
On Jun 20 2:24 AM #10 of 12
How dare you question my disability. I've had to prove it over and over again to countless doctors, bureaucrats, and I'm not about to do it again. Especially to you.
Your questions and attitude show nothing but contempt for the honorable service of all disabled veterans.
For your information veterans disabilities have to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be service connected.
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Posted by Republican Wildcat to Militiaman7; Admin Moderator
On Jun 20 2:42 AM #11 of 12

There's nothing in this article that says the President is threatening to veto the bill, only that advisors would recommend it. Your title is a gross deviation from the original title regardless.
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Posted by Militiaman7 to Republican Wildcat
On Jun 20 2:45 AM #12 of 12

The Senate on Wednesday defied a White House threat that President Bush will use his first veto against a $393 billion defense bill if Congress extends full retirement pay to disabled veterans.

This says it all.

4 posted on 06/20/2002 1:12:04 AM PDT by Militiaman7
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To: Militiaman7
First, thank you for your service Militiaman7.

I have always believed our tax dollars should be spent at home on our own BEFORE a dime ever goes to foreign aid.

It's a pipe dream, I know.

Our country seems too large to mobilize a force to stop the abusive use of our tax dollars.

It would be wonderful to have a country wide strike of workers to protest the way our government spends OUR money.

My father who we just buried in Arlington two weeks ago was disability retired and after death the disability pay stops so the spouse gets zip.

20 posted on 06/20/2002 3:31:45 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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To: Militiaman7
It should be extended to the 30% level since the government considers 30% as a cutoff or qualifying rate for many jobs and other benefits.
25 posted on 06/20/2002 4:16:53 AM PDT by JohnPaulJones
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To: Militiaman7
The reason for possible veto is because of the pork that was added in.
26 posted on 06/20/2002 4:20:28 AM PDT by fred flinch
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To: Militiaman7
It is politically correct to leave our borders open for terrorists to attack US citizens. It would cost quite a bit to close the borders.

It is politically correct to airlift illegal aliens attempting to cross the desert in Arizona to American hospitals, don't worry about the cost. We should be airlifting them to Mexican hospitals or telling Mexico to come and get them.

It is politically correct to give free medical care to illegal aliens but don't think of giving equal care to disabled veterans who voluntarily joined the US military forces to defend America.

If the vet was injured during training for combat or in actual conbat should make no difference.

30 posted on 06/20/2002 8:12:24 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Militiaman7
I don't believe the VETO threat is centered around the DAV's, this bill is pork stuffed by the likes of Byrd Rat WV. chief porker and KKK wizard
39 posted on 06/20/2002 9:21:52 AM PDT by boomop1
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To: Militiaman7
See this Dirty Bomb Politics
I know it's the Washington comPost but it makes sense.
Why give your devotion to any politician based on their party or on what they say they believe in?
By nature all politicians are swarmy.
50 posted on 06/21/2002 12:20:26 AM PDT by micronaut
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