FBI papers prompt new search for John Doe No. 2 (ORIGINAL Sketch Shows "Scar")

CNN.com ^ | May 16, 2001 | Kelli Arena and Susan Candiotti

[Fred Mertz]

We know that McVeigh gave enough interviews to a pair of authors to make a book.

We know two authors wrote a book. I doubt they ever interviewed him; they may have tried to.

[Grampa Dave]

Go to yahoo.com and try a google search. I running off to a meeting. If you find anything at google let me know.

[thinden]

He certainly didn't call him John Doe. Could he have called him "Jose?"

maybe they called him Juan Doe?

[Free the USA]

fyi

[Alabama_Wild_Man]

DITTO !! !!

[Dixie Mom]

Some questions:

1. What is, THE JOHN DOE TIMES? I'm not familiar with it. Is it available online?
2. I'm familiar with the circumstances that identified Bunting, erroneously, as JD2. What about the many other witnesses that identified JD2? Are they all manifestations of a zealous defense attorney?
3. The JD2 composites themselves--there were several--weren't they created based on numerous witnesses? Were the various witnesses all describing Bunting?
4. Why did Bob Ricks say that the composite of JD2 was based on eyewitnesses at the Murrah bldg.?

[hchutch]

Very simple. Clinton used Oklahoma City as a political weapon against the NRA and the GOP House freshmen of 1994, and did so quite successfully. Had the fact that this was possibly the doing of Islamic terrorists based outside the country been out there, it would have become more of a national security issue, and the GOP would have not only had an edge there, but a lot of the American people would not have tolerated an effort to tar political opponents with the actions of foreign terrorists.

[weegee]

It certainly was used to taint "right wing talk radio". G. Gordon Liddy was dropped in a number of cities including Houston, although he is back on the air and was brought back by the same man (now at another station) who feels that he overreacted in dropping him in the first place.

[weegee]

I've done some searching, did Jose ever legally change his name to Abdullah al Muhajir? Do any of the muslim terrorists change their name legally?

Or do they just opt for a new identity letting the trail get cold for those trying to find them? Do they pay taxes under their birth names, assumed names, or no taxes at all?

[VOA]

The witnesses include:

OKCSubmariner...should the folks at the convenience store in Newkirk, OK
also be on this list of people who say that McVeigh's sidekick they saw was NOT Nichols?

Just pinging you because you are like a bloodhound on this topic...I'm just too time-
pressured to keep up with all the exact details...

[aristeides]

He apparently did legally change his name to Ibrahim (Ibrahim Padilla, presumably) in mid-'94. That's the only legal name-change on his part that I've heard of.

[Grampa Dave]

hc asked, "Can someone put up a side-by-side of the John Doe #2 sketch and a picture of Padilla with the scars circled?

Actually, PJ-Comix, posted the side by sides that you are requesting in one of his threads or replies yesterday.

PJ-Comix, please repost the side by side scar pictures.

[Grampa Dave]

Hc posted, "Very simple. Clinton used Oklahoma City as a political weapon against the NRA and the GOP House freshmen of 1994, and did so quite successfully. Had the fact that this was possibly the doing of Islamic terrorists based outside the country been out there, it would have become more of a national security issue, and the GOP would have not only had an edge there, but a lot of the American people would not have tolerated an effort to tar political opponents with the actions of foreign terrorists.

It is obvious that the ground work for the massive blame conservative talk radio and white guys for any violence had be set up in advance of OKC.

Jake Reno early in her term as Criminal in charge of justice made we evil white VRWC males the focus of terrorism investigations by justice and FBI. The middle east terrorists got a free pass and so did the ALFS,ELFS,PETAS and other enviro terrorists.

The stage was set that when an act of terrorism happened due to no one watching the real terrorists. The vast Rat PR machine of the Mediots and Rats in charge were ready and leaped into action before the dust settled in OK City. From the Clintoon to the Hilldebeast to the lowest rat in politics, we evil white male VRWC's were being blamed.

As you pointed out, this attack on us saved the Clintoon. He was being made irrelevant by the republicans in the house, the senate and on talk radio. The mediots made the conservatives the evil ones and the Clintoons the new folk heroes within hours of OKC. That did not happen by accident.

With Jake Reno in charge no real coverup was even needed. All that was necessary was to ignore any data that showed that Islamics/Arabs could have been involved and only focus on white guys who were involved. The left maggots of the media were in on the blame the vile evil VRWC white males of America. They are incapable of doing any investigation of a story, they just advance the agendas and mantras of the rats.

[cgk]

I've done some searching, did Jose ever legally change his name to Abdullah al Muhajir? Do any of the muslim terrorists change their name legally?

I searched, too. The most I could find said that one becomes a muslim by taking a vow for Allah, and it can even be in private, not necessarily a mosque. In addition (before?) to changing his name to Abdullah Al-Muhajir, he married his 1st wife using the name "Ibrahim" (one name only) and said he was "black".

It all depends on who the source is as to when he did what. Dates here:

Dirty Bomb Suspect Padilla/AlMuhajir's Timeline from 10 Different Media Sources

Mrs K