I was making the point that the Russian government's fostering of nationalism and disciplinarianism seems to create unexpected problems. Also being English doesn't mean I am involved in, or support, football hooliganism. Just like your attitude towards Chechens is dictated by the existence of Chechen terrorists, you assume I have certain characteristics because of my nationality, what sloppy thinking.
As for David Hunter's bs about torture, it is a proven fact that the Brits use torture in N. Ireland....all those little details, like the violence of british disarmed society, like a good socialist, he ignores
First of all, I am not a Socialist, no doubt you think labelling me as one will cause other people to support your arguements. Second the British government specifically swore in the mid 1970s not to use torture in any circumstances. Unfortunately, individuals sometimes break the rules. But the idea that the British army use torture even a hundredth as much as the Russian army, is just ludicrous. As for the violence of British disarmed society, the murder rate in Russia is the second highest in the World after South Africa.
BS, you conviniently ignore, again, the fact that 1. Most Chechins don't live in Chechnya and don't want to. 2. That they had 3 years of independence and in that time kidnapped 1,500 people...
I've got one word for you - Wahabis. These people kill their own for ridiculous reasons like having the misfortune to be raped or not wearing their burkhas etc. Their expansionist ambitions meant that Chechnya under them was either preparing for war, or fighting a war.
The fact that these psychos exist is not an excuse for Russia to pick on innocent civilians because they have the same nationality.
Well, if they don't like being part of the terrorists, then they'd turn them in not give them comfort. At that point they become part of the combatent support infrastructure.
What usually happens to people who collaborate with the Russians? They get assassinated by the Chechen rebels. Its all very well us saying that locals should turn in terrorists, but we don't know the details of the situation they are actually in. You've often say how brutal these Shariah muslim led rebels are, don't you think they might threaten the families of people they need help from?
D.Hunter is a socialist/liberatarian (leans both ways) idealist, still in college. From previous conversations, I've gathered he has not been out in the real world much.
Again you label me a Socialist because I'm not prepared to give Russia a free hand to torture and murder Chechen civilians with impunity.
Your using a common political method, if you can't defeat someone's arguements, then launch a personal attack upon them. For your information I am not "still in college". I am a research scientist with a PhD who works in a University. I realise that when I mention being in a University you immediately assume I must be in my early 20s and studying for a first degree, due to your limited experience of higher education.
As for the Chechnya arguement, once more, as usual, you ignore the subject of the people giving comfort to the terrorists. Just like they do in Palistine. I bet you think those people celebrating in the streets in Ramahala after a homocider zipper head takes out school children, are just miss understood and really aren't supporting murder. Well, same in Russia.
But I degress...you of the obviously higher intellegence and experience in all such things, please educate this dumb soldier on how exactly one is to react in the following scenario:
You and your buddies are on patrol. You pass a village of farmers, most working in the field. All looks peaceful enough. You walk on by and continue the patrol. Suddenly there is a shot from behind you and you feel the wet ooze of your team mates brains sliding down the side of your face. You know the shot came from the village. You quickly return, find an empty cartragde in the field but no weapon and no shooter and all the locals claim to have seen nothing and know nothing....but you know the moment you turn around and walk away, you're going to get shot at again. So what do you do hot shot? Oh, but I bet you don't have to worry about such things in comfy urbantopia....well some of us do. And because of brutish people like myself, people like you are able to enjoy what you enjoy while down grading what we do or simply insulting it straight out. To bad the Jihaders didn't get a chance to bring down Big Ben like they were planning....the EU needs a wake up call.