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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
1 posted on 06/17/2002 6:52:21 AM PDT by Grig
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"It's just a movie."
2 posted on 06/17/2002 6:56:53 AM PDT by sturmde
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To: Grig
The original movie (Episode 4) is merely the first part of the Morte d' Artur. Luke is the young Arthur. The Light Sabre is Excalibur, and Obi-Wan is Merlyn. Filling in the rest of the blanks is easy: George Lucas did it; so can you.

So obvious that the producers of the dreadful Excalibur went to extraordinary lengths to telegraph the similarities when that stinker hit the screen. If they could get it, anybody could.

--Boris

3 posted on 06/17/2002 6:59:56 AM PDT by boris
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To: Grig
(To the writer of the piece):

After some thought, I have determined the following...

  1. You make too much money and have too much time on your hands;
  2. You are a loser who can't get a date have and too much time on your hands; or,
  3. You still live at home sucking off of your parent's teat and have too much time on your hands
Whatever you choose, you have WAY too much time on your hands.
6 posted on 06/17/2002 7:12:40 AM PDT by mattdono
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Boy was I ever off! I thought "Star Wars" was a retelling of the "Wizard of Oz."

Luke Sywalker = Dorothy
Obi Wan = The Wizard
Darth = A flying monkey
Palantine = The Wicked Witch
That Gold Robot (whatzisname=the Tin Woodman"
R2D2= The Scarecrow or Toto, not sure which yet
Hans Solo=The Cowardly Lion
Jabba the Hut= the mean apple throwing trees

7 posted on 06/17/2002 7:13:00 AM PDT by parsifal
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To: shuckmaster; 4ConservativeJustices; one2many; billbears; ConstitutionDay; Alas Babylon!...
Ping!
8 posted on 06/17/2002 7:15:09 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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[[pffffffftt]] ... "Ahhhh... Far out, dude. And Obi Wan Kenobe is John Wilkes Booth while the Wookie is President Grant."

10 posted on 06/17/2002 7:16:52 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Grig
I just saw this the other night.

At the end when the evil Jedi is landing on the planet, did anyone else notice what looked to be the New York skyline with the twin towers in place. It appeared for about 5 seconds.

Is that old news?

11 posted on 06/17/2002 7:18:19 AM PDT by Pete
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I don't think you have correctly rendered the relationship between palpatine and the rebellion. Palpatine set up the rebellion in Episode II so that he invoke the clone army--and in Episode III call for greater powers and sweep aside the republic. It was a plan that was already 10 years in the making when episode II starts since palpatine arranged for the original clone warriors 10 years before. Remember palpatine is the other bad guy whom we don't see in episode I and papatine winds up being the emperor in later episodes.
14 posted on 06/17/2002 7:25:32 AM PDT by ckilmer
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My theory on what happens in Episode III (as if you really care!)

Somehow, the Emporer tricks Anakin into turning on the Jedi. My guess is that he convinces Anakin that the Jedi are responsible for Amidala's death. I believe her death will involve Anakin heeding Obi Wan's advice to "continue with the mission" like he did in Episode II when she fell from the shuttle but survived. This time, she ain't so lucky.

Anakin then proceeds to help wipe out the Jedi. All with the exception of Mace Windu who is beheaded by Boba Fett, just as Windu did to Fett's father in Episode II.

Anakin then discovers that he was tricked by the emporer and that he is really the Sith Lord Darth Sidious. The two then have the now cliched light sabre duel (what else?). During the fight, Darth Sidious' arm gets severed to reveal a mechanical arm. Just like Anakin and Luke. Anakin then is horrified to discover that Sidious is really his father and he invites Anakin to rule the galaxy with him as father and son. And unlike when Vader makes the same offer to Luke in The Empire Strikes Back and is rejected, Anakin accepts and completes his surrender to the Dark Side.

The surviving Jedi (Obi Wan and Yoda) at some point prior to this realize that Anakin's children must be spirited away so they can not be turned to the dark side. I suspect that they fake their deaths somehow. Leia of course is placed with the Royal Family and Luke is brought to Tatooine to live with Anakin's half brother ("They're good people. You'll be safe here" he tells Amidala in Episode II).

The final scene of the movie will be a shot of the Skywalker farm on Tatooine from afar where you'll see a young Luke Skywalker playing outside. The camera will pan back to reveal that we are watching the scene thru the eyes of Obi Wan Kenobi from a distant plateau. And thats how it will all end. With the slight hope for the fate of the rebellion in the form of this young boy, under the watchful eye of the last of the Jedi.

16 posted on 06/17/2002 7:40:56 AM PDT by The G Man
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Maybe they'll change the ending and have Luke sell his slaves at the end of the Return of the Jedi.
17 posted on 06/17/2002 7:41:27 AM PDT by Vladiator
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NO WAY - the Empire is a genocidal regime gaining power through deception and use of the Dark Side of the Force. The Rebels are dedicated to restoring the former, representative form of government.
18 posted on 06/17/2002 7:49:23 AM PDT by crypt2k
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To: Grig
I wish they had not made Dooku a tool of Palpatine. It would be a much more interesting dilemma for the audience if the secessionists were honestly worried about the decline / decadence / moral & political decay of the old Republic and just wanted to be left alone.
22 posted on 06/17/2002 8:22:20 AM PDT by Sloth
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"By the time of Episode 4 slavery is (mostly) gone. The Republic, which is seemingly responsible for this change of events, has been swept aside by the corrupt Empire."

Is slavery really gone or has everyone been reduced, both economically and socially, to the same level as slaves?

33 posted on 06/17/2002 8:56:33 AM PDT by 100%FEDUP
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Fantasy can be anything its author wants it to be. There may be some narrative "rules" or "laws" of the successful examples of the genre, but in general the creator's imagination is unbounded.

History is a matter of facts and documents, causation and consequences. One would hope that it involves something more than just its author's imagination.

Art is supposed to have more than one meaning. Reducing it to one meaning or one-on-one correspondences of characters in the text to those outside of it, cheapens and oversimplifies it. Entertainment may not have even one meaning, but when art or entertainment have one clear telegraphed meaning, they become propaganda.

It's curious that the author assumed that the movies were "all about" the Weimar Republic first. Then he goes into all this Civil War trivia. The article and the movie contribute nothing to our understanding of the Civil War. I could show you that "Gone With The Wind" and "The Birth of A Nation," "Roots" and "Glory," "North and South" and "Ride with the Devil" also have uncanny and ominous parallels to the American Civil War, but that doesn't mean that the interpretation of the war you can get out of them corresponds to what actually happened. Whether Rogers's article contributes anything to our understanding of the movie or to anything else in life is another matter. But it seems to leave the Lucas epic looking smaller, and less significant rather than bigger and more important.

The author feels compelled to manipulate both history and the movie to fit his scheme. In the end, what is it all for? If George Lucas is Johnny Reb, what does that tell us except that Lucas's creative imagination has gotten into a rut? If Rogers is right, Lucas hasn't created something living but an empty, paint-by-numbers allegory, that we wouldn't be any poorer without.

34 posted on 06/17/2002 9:03:49 AM PDT by x
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Mesa gotta bad feelin 'bout dis.
38 posted on 06/17/2002 9:59:17 AM PDT by Jar Jar Binks
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And the executive, with his newly granted emergency powers, creates a "Grand Army of the Republic" -- precisely the same title Lincoln gave his army.

I think the GAR was the VFW of the day. It was made up of Union veterans.

Walt

39 posted on 06/17/2002 10:11:26 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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Try this:

Palpatine is Jeff Davis, who exerts unchecked power (Lincoln still worked in a democracy). The Jedi were not really split in Star Wars: those who were already evil did not call themselves "Jedi," and the Jedi fought for right and justice (i.e., the Union). Only when the dark side got ahold of Jedi did they kill people. But if you look closely at the EARLIER trilogy, it is clear that Darth Vader (Robert E. Lee?) kept slaves (he enslaved, for example, the Wookie race). Indeed, in "Clones," it is the BAD GUYS who employ a virtual "slave" army of robots, whereas the clones themselves, if I understood the dialogue, had free will.

The "dark side" also constantly seeks to obtain support from the trade federation---Great Britain and France---to defeat Lincoln and the Republic.

And Lincoln is Obi Wan, who has learned from his mistakes and becomes wise, only to be struck down by the evil dark side. Don't get carried away with the term "rebel."

Moreover, only the bad guys "resign" from the Republic---and the bad guys in Star Wars are truly evil.

Darth, Doku, and others employ mercenaries such as Boba Fett to fight---like Quantrill's Raiders and the James Gang.

Now, Luke IS REAGAN---a natural descendant of LINCOLN, not JEFFERSON---and he stands against the forces of darkness, the "Evil Emperor" in the form of the Soviet dictators, all of whom looked exactly like Palpatine.

Luke, fighting for the same rights as Lincoln---that they apply to all races---resists the "evil empire" which is always looking for the "ultimate weapon." But Luke/Reagan employs common sense ("wouldn't it be better to build a shield than a sword") and the force (God). The good Jedi always have God on their side---the dark side do not. Thus, although Doku and Darth can wield exceptional power, it is not ultimate power. And salvation is brought through a Son.

You can't stretch this to make it fit the Confederacy---a true "evil empire" that enslaved its population, and which had by all accounts FAR worse violations of civil rights than Lincoln imagined. (The North, for ex., never confiscated ALL the goods of a region like the South impressed cotton; even Lincoln's civil rights violations were subject to Supreme Court review---but the COnfed. had none; and as political scientist Richard Bensel, in his study of 150separate comparisons of North and South found, the Confed was FAR more destructive of both human rights and property rights than the north. But that's the "evil empire" for ya.

40 posted on 06/17/2002 10:19:51 AM PDT by LS
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Hmpf. I prefer the Dark Side. They're the rebels since they are knocking over the established, corrupt order.

Regards, Ivan

45 posted on 06/17/2002 12:53:23 PM PDT by MadIvan
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It ain't called the rebel alliance for nothing! Yeeeeoooowwwwuuuuuuuuu!
47 posted on 06/17/2002 2:03:36 PM PDT by rebelsoldier
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To: Grig
Hmm. I didn't see Dooku's scene on Coruscant (bad time for a bathroom break) so I can speculate wildly as to what happened. My predictions for Episode III:

Anakin, having married, leaves the Jedi and is taken under Chancellor Palpatine's wing. Palpatine is covertly helping the rebellion to justify his power grab, and Anakin becomes his hatchet man. Obi-wan sees Palpatine for what he is and joins Dooku, leaving/getting kicked out of the Jedi to do so. The resulting rift destroys the Jedi, with its members hunted down and killed by either Dooku and Kenobi or Skywalker and Palpatine, depending on which side they take. Kenobi and Skywalker have a climactic battle which results in Skywalker's injuries, and his having to wear his breathing apparatus.

50 posted on 06/17/2002 10:19:14 PM PDT by NovemberCharlie
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