Gore Won Florida! (Democrats still Shouting this Absurdity!)

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Gore Won Florida!

On November 27, Republican Secretary of State Katherine Harris officially certified George W. Bush as the "winner" in Florida by 537 votes.

Since that date, independent investigations by the media have revealed that many illegal votes were counted - while many legal votes were not. 

If the votes in Florida had been counted by non-partisan election officials in compliance with the law, Gore would have won Florida.

Unfortunately, George W. Bush, his brother Governor Jeb Bush, Secretary of State Katherine Harris, a partisan Republican majority on the U.S. Supreme Court, and the Republican-owned media did everything in their power to prevent a fair and legal count of the votes.

In other words, these Republicans used their enormous power to steal the Presidency of the United States. Indeed, the untold story of Floridagate is as chilling as Watergate. 

This is a crime against American democracy. Democrats.com demands a thorough investigation and the prosecution of all criminal actions.

And because he is ultimately responsible for the Theft of the Presidency, we call upon George W. Bush to resign.

Note: To read all of the coverage on Democrats.com of Election 2000 and related stories, click the following links:

• Theft of the Presidency (major revelations)
• Stolen Election
• Katherine Harris
• Jeb Bush
• Felon Purge
• Election Reform

1. Media Consortium Statewide Count of "Undervotes" and "Overvotes" Proves Gore Won Under ANY Standard

The Media Consortium hired the National Opinion Research Center to examine 175,010 ballots that were never counted in Florida. The investigation took 8 months and cost $900,000. No matter what standard for judging ballots is applied, Gore wins.

	Gore Gain	Gore Deficit  or Lead
Certified by Katherine Harris		-537
Valid votes found after certification	+59	-478
Correctly marked paper ballots	+493	+15
Full punches	+100	+115
Poorly marked paper ballot	+309	+424
3-corner chads	-208	+216
2-corner chads	-111	+105
1-corner chads	-45	+60
Dimples with sunlight	+88	+148
Dimples	-41	+107

Unfortunately, the members of the Media Consortium insisted on distorting the analysis of their own clear data (see "Spin Control" below).

2. Miami Herald Statewide Count of "Undervotes" and "Overvotes" Proves Gore Won by 662

Without counting a single hanging or dimpled chad, Gore won by 662, according to the Miami Herald. The votes below were crystal clear votes as determined by the Herald's accounting firm, BDO Seidman. Under Florida law, all of these ballots should have been counted by election officials on Election Day. Their failure to do so is Official Misconduct, not "Voter Error"!

	Gore Gain	Gore Deficit  or Lead
Certified by Katherine Harris		-537
Clear "Undervotes" (optical scan)	+319	-218
Clear "Undervotes" (punch card)	+198	-20
Clear "Overvotes"	+682	+662

Unfortunately, the Herald insists on distorting the analysis of its own clear data (see "Spin Control" below).

3. Other Media Counts Lead to the Same ConclusionYou can see the same data in greater detail here:

• The Miami Herald  
• Unknown News

Date	Event	Gore Gain	Gore Deficit  or Lead
11/27/00	Certified by Katherine Harris		-537
12/8/00	Florida Supreme Court ruling	+383	-154
12/18/00	Lake County (Orlando Sentinel)	+130	- 24
12/19/00	Broward (Palm Beach Post)	+164	+140
12/29/00	Hernando (Hernando Today)	+4	+144
12/30/00	Hillsborough (Tampa Tribune)	+120	+264
1/3/01	Gadsden (Democrats.com)	+40	+304
1/14/01	Miami-Dade #1 (Palm Beach Post) - minus prior recount included in 12/8	-6 +11 -209	+100
1/20/01	Collier (Naples News)	-226	-126
1/27/01	Palm Beach #1 (Palm Beach Post)	+682	+556
1/28/01	15 County (Orlando Sentinel) -minus prior recounts in Lake and Gadsden	+366 -170	+752
2/10/01	Orange (Orlando Sentinel)	+203	+955
2/15/01	Seminole (Orlando Sentinel)	+13	+968
2/26/01	Miami-Dade #2 (Miami Herald) also: how the media twisted this recount into a "Gore lost" story	+49	+1,017
3/8/01	Osceola (Orlando Sentinel)	+25	+1,042
3/10/01	Palm Beach #2 (Palm Beach Post)	+102	+1,144
3/10/01	Martin, St. Lucie (Palm Beach Post)	+92	+1,236
	Total Gore Gain from Recounts	+1,773

4. Overvote Analysis - Gore's True Margin of Victory

If every county in Florida - not just the Republican ones - had state-of-the-art voting machines that allowed voters to correct their mistakes, Al Gore would have won by 46,466.

Date	Event	Gore Gain	Gore Deficit  or Lead
1/28/01	Analysis of overvotes in 8 counties by the Washington Post	+28,510	+28,510
1/28/01	Analysis of overvotes in 15 counties by the Orlando Sun-Sentinel	+944	+29,454
2/8/01	Gore-Libertarian overvotes in 16 counties by Orlando Sun-Sentinel	+797	+30,257
3/10/01	Analysis of overvotes in Palm Beach County by the Palm Beach Post (overlaps Washington Post analysis above)	+6,607
5/11/01	Analysis of overvotes statewide by the Miami Herald (overlaps with all of the above)		+46,466

5. Disputed Votes

There are several categories of votes that have been widely disputed. Unlike the votes above, these disputed votes could not have been resolved by county canvassing boards, either on election night or during the subsequent recounts. 

It is impossible to quantify most of these categories, but we can try to give our best estimates.

Categories favoring Gore

• Absentee ballots cast statewide by Republican voters following the illegal solicitation of absentee ballots by the Florida Republican Party: 50,000?
• Absentee ballots that could not be read by voting machines, but were illegally "duplicated" by county election officials: 10,000 (60% Bush?)
• Legal voters who were disenfranchised by Katherine Harris through the criminally inaccurate purge of "felons": 1,100 (90% Gore)
• Absentee ballots cast in Seminole and Martin counties by Republican voters following the criminal alteration of defective ballot applications by Republican operatives: 5,000 (99% Bush)
• Votes meant for Gore but cast for Buchanan because of the "butterfly ballot" in Palm Beach: 3,000 (100% Gore)
• Voters who went to the polls but were unable to cast a vote because of language problems (and no translators) or physical disability: (70% Gore)
• Registrations submitted from black colleges but not processed: (90% Gore)
• Overseas military ballots that were not legal, but were counted because of massive pressure from the Bush campaign: 680 (71% Bush)
• Police checkpoints near black precincts: 0

Categories favoring Bush

• Illegal votes by felons: 5,600 (90% Gore?)
• Premature network projections for Gore 10 minutes before polls closed in the Panhandle: 10 (60% Bush?)

6. Racial Discrimination

Florida voters were not treated equally. If you were black, your vote was significantly less likely to be counted. This was not because blacks were less experienced voters - this was due to institutional racism.

• Whose Votes Don't Count?: An Analysis of Spoiled Ballots in the 2000 Florida Election
• Report of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights
• NAACP et al v. Katherine Harris et al
• Votes of Poor Are Discarded 3 Times More than Votes of Rich Across the US

7. The Untold Story

A wide range of suspicious activities were reported by eyewitnesses and the news media. Many of these activities have still not been investigated.

• Questions the U.S. News Media Refuses to Ask about the Stolen Florida Election   
• Oral Majority: The Evidence Room  
• The Florida Overvote: Tragic Mistake, or Katharine Harris with Tweezers?   
• "Lost" Votes and a Stolen Election   
• Bush Never Won Florida   
• 13 Myths About The Results Of The 2000 Election   
• The Florida Disaster: Before, During, and After   
• Scary Facts about the Florida Vote   
• Al Gore's Margin of VICTORY in Florida   
• How Did This Happen?   
• Election 2000 FAQ   
• The Five Worst Republican Outrages   
• Democracy Subverted - November 2000 Election Irregularities

8. Spin Control - Media Distortion of the Stolen Election

Each new revelation about the Stolen Election has been accompanied by articles that were deliberately distorted by editors and reporters to deny the reality that Gore Won Florida.

• Miami Herald Distorts Florida Recount Analysis to Hide the Terrifying Truth: Its Own Data PROVE Al Gore Won Florida  
• Media Lies Once Again to Declare Bush the Winner  
• The Bush Propaganda Machine Strikes Again in Florida  
• Now its Unofficial: Gore Did Win Florida  
• Gore Moves Ahead in Florida Recount

9. Republicans Would Never Accept a Gore Victory

• NY Times Exposes GOP Absentee Ballot Fraud That Stole 292 Votes for Bush
• Bush Set to Fight An Electoral College Loss
• A President by Judicial Fiat

10. The Republican Criminals Who Shut Down the Miami-Dade Recount

These are some of the thugs who staged a riot at the Miami canvassing board and shut down the recount. Most of these thugs are present or past employees of Congressional Republicans. The riot was led by Rep. John Sweeney of upstate NY. All of these thugs - and their Congressional bosses, led by Tom DeLay - should be prosecuted for criminally interfering with a federal election.

[F.J. Mitchell]

Democrat's lying and cheating didn't work for them in 2000-they now hope that their lies about lying and cheating will work for them next time. I believe they have gone to the well of deciet one time too many. THe well is far from dry but a majority now know the water is infested with excrement and no longer drink from it.

Poor liberal democrats, lying and cheating no longer gets them elected, and the truth would expose their criminality. Looks like their days are numbered.

[parsifal]

I asked some questions yesterday in a thread that was apparently abducted by aliens from the Planet Adminmod I repeat those here:

1) How many counties are there in Florida?

2) How many counties in Florida did Mr. Gore ask to recount?

3)If the answer to (1) isn't the same as the answer to (2), please explain why there is a difference.

4) If there is such a difference, please explain how Mr. Gore can claim that he wanted to count ALL the votes.

5) If there is such a difference, please state whether the counties Gore wished to recount were primarily Democratic or Republican counties.

6) If there is such a difference, and if the "re-counted" counties are primarily Democratic, please state whether or not you think Gore was trying to pull a "partial" recount so that he could be president.

7) Notwithstanding your answers to the above questions, please state whether or not, as a general proposition, you think that partial recounts are "fair" or "unfair" ina statewide election.

I think the Dims need to answer these questions before they act the martyr.

Here's some other questions I asked too, and I think they are too good to waste, so if you find a Dim willing to answer any of the above, ask them these also.

8) Please state whether or not you would file a police report if someone were to 'accidentally' move a $20,000 antique historic artwork from your house, and then did not return it for nearly 18 months.

9) Please state whether or not it is perjury if a person lie under oath about having sexual relations with an employee, if the subject matter of the lawsuit involves making sexual advances to another former employee, and if no, why?

10) Please state which you believe is more likely: that Hillary Clinton, having first hand knowledge over the period of several decades about her husband's philandering, really didn't believe that Bill had been messing with Monica, or that Hillary chose to lie about not-knowing for political reasons.

[AmishDude]

I think it should be one of the options, "anti-Lincoln", kind of like "News/Activism" and "General Interest".

[CyberAnt]

LOL - you forgot only one thing! These questions are way to complicated for the average dim to answer.

Other than that - they were GOOD!

[Howlin]

I've got some other ideas for separate forums, too! :-)

[scan58]

These are some of the thugs who staged a riot at the Miami canvassing board and shut down the recount.

Oh please! You call those kids in Polo shirts and Dockers "thugs who staged a riot"?

[AmishDude]

That's a great idea. Nobody has to be banned -- ever. We just set up forums that they can't possibly resist and keep them posting there for eternity. Mwahahahahahaha

[backhoe]

I bet they don't want to look here:

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[My Identity]

Gore Won Florida?

Only "The Stupid" or "The Bought" believe this.

[G-dzilla]

Whenever I'm given a choice of Dimples with Sunlight (TM) or Dimples without Sunlight (TM), I always choose the ones made with Sunlight (TM). They just taste better.

[Wondervixen]

Makes you wish you were standing behind the lying bastards with a sock full of nickles, dont it?

[XBob]

bump - "Simple. If a voter voted for Gore and a third party candidate, then clearly they intended to vote only for Gore. If a voter voted for Bush and a third party candidate, then clearly they really intended to vote for Gore. Also, if a voter died before the election, then clearly they intended to vote for Gore, so the dead voter ballots should count too. "

they forgot to mention the thousands of 'coathanger' votes for gore (where thousands of ballots were stacked up and a coat hanger rammed through at the gore chad.

[denydenydeny]

"Overvote" is just a euphemism for invalid ballot.

You'd think that, even once, someone in the media would point out that there is no jurisdiction, anywhere, anyplace, that accepts ballots with duplicate votes.

[weegee]

Go Lie!

[weegee]

Nationally there was something like 0.51% difference between Algore Junior and George W. Bush in the popular vote.

This is well within the margin of error. Statistically it cannot be shown that Algore Junior even won the popular vote since recounts were not held nationwide. I've even heard that some states did not count all of their mail-in ballots because races in their states weren't close enough to warrent such efforts.

I'm sick of hearing from these crybabies. Algore Junior couldn't even win his homestate. If he had, Florida wouldn't have mattered.

[weegee]

Anytime that you see an "anti-war" protestor complain that George W. Bush isn't the president, you know that peace is the last thing that they are protesting...

[rdb3]

Makes you wish you were standing behind the lying bastards with a sock full of nickles, dont it?

No, I don't want to be standing behind them with a sock full of nickels. I do want to be standing behind them with a sock full of JFK half-dollar pieces, though.

[weegee]

Katie Couric cried on election night when the election was finally called for George W. Bush. Did anyone get that on tape?

I rolled tape on Rather instead, who suddenly got somber. His coldness was refreshed with new hope when Algore Junior renegged on his concession call 20 minutes later.

Just who are the Republican-owned media types that the rats are crowing about???

[weegee]

Did they ever offer a justification for accepting campaign contributions from the Chi-coms?

[weegee]

Care to highlight some Republican vote fraud?

Throughout history it's been the demonrats: Tammany Hall, the Dixiecrats, LBJ's first election to congress, Daly's Chicago, and the loved coalition of voters: the dual address college student overvote, the felon vote, the dead vote, and the illegal immigrant vote.